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Mr. Global Warming, end of the world predictor, unless you buy my 'carbon credits' is becoming rich using the 'fear factor'.
A perfect scam, create a problem, create a solution to the problem, create a fear of the problem, then sit back and get rich. Mr. Gore tells us how to live, what to do, and how to prevent 'global warming' yet he still lives the life of excess, expecting everyone else to live under his'save the planet' mandates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

Fun fact, scientists state that the eating of 'meat' contributes most of the methane in the atmosphere from beef production, the feeder farms are a global warming hazard, yet Al Gore has yet to become a vegitarian, but trumpets the evils of the meat industry contributing to 'greenhouse' gases.


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Yes, because Al Gore has questionable personal habits, we should forget about trying to improve the environment. And the scientific findings, separate from Gore's doings, that show we are doing things that are both directly and indirectly speeding up the decay of our planet.

That's logical.

Let's follow that logic and say that because some third-party companies have been found guilty of war profiteering in Iraq, everybody should pack up and leave, leaving the place abandoned of U.S. military support right now.


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Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrites.

BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE. And the global warming advocates ignoring the sun cycle explination by the not approved by our agenda scientific community.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrites.


Oh I agree, 100 percent.

However, I don't think that just because Al Gore is an agitating blow-hard that the movement to help make the planet a better place - or even just leave it as we left it, a conservative ideal - should be abandoned.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:



BTW what happened to summer?


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Question- The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps.
Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'.


Had to throw in the summer comment as the required "oh my god" comment.
Gotta love the media, weather readers (TV weather types) used this throughout the fall here in NY.

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What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?

I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.

I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin.
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Good timing, I have an essay to write about this... Anyone got any good (reliable) links for global warming for me? I'll do the research, I just need help on finding it in the first place.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps.
Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'.


Literally every single one of these points has been addressed by Peter Parker in every single global climate change thread since about 2003. The record keeps spinning around and around.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:



I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture.


Well if I've learned anything from watching James Bond movies - ala Moonraker - as long as the people making those arguments don't have a space shuttle we should all be fine.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Yes, save the planet, but the advocates should also be the initial role models, not do as I say not as I do hypocrite


So? they SHOULD be, but that still doesn't excuse changing your opinion or behaviour.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Mr. Global Warming, end of the world predictor, unless you buy my 'carbon credits' is becoming rich using the 'fear factor'.
A perfect scam, create a problem, create a solution to the problem, create a fear of the problem, then sit back and get rich. Mr. Gore tells us how to live, what to do, and how to prevent 'global warming' yet he still lives the life of excess, expecting everyone else to live under his'save the planet' mandates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6491195/Al-Gore-could-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html
 
 
I see.  It was a clever plan...  Here is how it went, as Gore was sitting around smoking pot in the eary 1970s:
 
Gore:  Hmm...  This professor guy thinks there is global warming happening due to CO2 and other emissions.  Nobody else gives a darn - they are too busy with acid rain and stuff.  That's ok - I have a plan.  I will:
 
- get elected to Congress
- spend a couple of decades toiling in Congress while being underpaid
- work relentlessly during those decades talking about global warming, even though nobody cares
- cripple my political career by talking up global warming in the 80s when nobody cares
- glom on to an Arkansas hillbilly and get elected to the crappiest job in government
- continue talking about global warming for another 8 years, even though people still don't care
- convince a whole bunch of scientists that this global warming stuff is real, even though they are scientists and I am not
- convince those scientists to write massive reports and conduct massive research to support my made-up global warming theory that I have been talking about for decades
- make a powerpoint presentation and go on the road with my schtick, talking about global warming.  some people will finally care
- have a movie made about my powerpoint presentation, and win an Oscar.  now some more people will care
- win the Nobel Peace Prize.  and then more people will actually care
- late in the game, after decades of talking this up, I will get around to making some investments in companies that may benefit from efforts to combat global warming
- I will make these investments by joining the most 1337 VC fund in the world, a fund that always makes gobs of money no matter what industry they invest in
PHASE 3:  PROFIT!
 
 
(Of course, I could have just invested in that internet thing I will invent in the 80s, and then I could be a billionaire faster, but that's not as much fun.)
 
That's one heck of a plan.  Makes Bush's plan to bomb the WTC look like child's play.
 
 

Quote Fun fact, scientists state that the eating of 'meat' contributes most of the methane in the atmosphere from beef production, the feeder farms are a global warming hazard, yet Al Gore has yet to become a vegitarian, but trumpets the evils of the meat industry contributing to 'greenhouse' gases.
 
Well, it is a little more complicated than that.  Clearly the meat industry is a big greenhouse player, but so is agriculture.  There are numerous factors, including transportation, storage, processing, feedsource, space clearing, and so forth.
 
To simply say that eating meat is worse for the environment than eating veggies is not accurate.  It may be that part of the solution is cutting back on meat, but that science isn't there yet to declare this "the" solution.  The logistics of the food industry are complicated.


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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

The research on London temps in the coal/wood heating era of the late 1800's as well as the eastern bloc industrial gas emmision data of the 60's-80's is totally ignored by the current advocates. In the 70's the next Ice Age was a real threat?, now the same individuals running with global warming, and the past year of record low temps.
Rational thought is man has a minimal impact on the solar cycle, and the emmision of 'greenhouse' gasses are actually less than late 1800's thru the 60's, yet only current data is used to justify the exsistance of 'global warming'.


Literally every single one of these points has been addressed by Peter Parker in every single global climate change thread since about 2003. The record keeps spinning around and around.
 
Yes, that.  Which should be a hint that you are being fed lies.  When questions/challenges are legitimately raised and legitimately answered, yet continue to be raised as if they were never addressed, chances are pretty good that your source is disingenuous.
 
Scientists (including the global warming types) incorporate new data (specifically contrary data) and modify their conclusions.  Rabble-rousers do not.  Rabble-rousers ignore contrary data and proceed as if it never happened.
 

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

BTW what happened to summer? Record cold, and earliest heaviest snow yet in CO,and NE.


And look at Florida. November has started and I've yet the need to wear a sweater, even at night. Ten years ago, further south at home, we'd be seeing our breath starting late September.

All of the above is irrelevant without the "why." It is not enough to simply state, "it was a cold summer." There are reasons it was so, and they are directly tied to other trends that we have been seeing.

I don't have time to go into the specifics right now, but I can start by telling you that land sees a more drastic temperature difference every day than the oceans, and that what happens in CO and NE is not representative of the world or the state of the ocean (whose history provides a more accurate depiction of trends.)


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I wonder if OS got this wound up about a cold or hot season as a youth
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?

I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.

I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin.
Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates.

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Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

What actually is the life form capacity of the planet? As populations grow in human, as well as domesticated animals, what is the threashold?

I seriously doubt man will stop the expansion of urban enviornments and revert to a 'natural' living enviornment. People demand space and modern enviornments, at the cost of the CO2/Oxygen balance of plant life. Lookj at the 'cloud' as you come down the mountian into LA, yet LA keeps expanding by demand.

I am just waiting for the population control arguement to begin, the planet is too overcrowded, so someone will develope a poulation control model based on thier culture. Eugenic Wars, War for resources and space again, and the third world entering the second/first world and the population density vs enviornment battles begin.
Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates.


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You know, OS, it's awfully anti-capitalist of you to expect Al Gore not to profit off of his work.
Originally posted by mbro mbro wrote:

Actually according to an article in this weeks economist the population problem is pretty much solving itself due to falling birth rates.

That's good. It would SUCK to see population decline because of famine.

At least, it would suck if it happened more so. It's terrible enough in Africa as it is.
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Good timing, I have an essay to write about this... Anyone got any good (reliable) links for global warming for me? I'll do the research, I just need help on finding it in the first place.


Reliable? I think the telegraph journal is pretty reliable. So if it doesn't follow your agenda than its not reliable?
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