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Gatyr 
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http://www.newser.com/story/115070/inside-the-afghan-kill-teams-four-month-killing-spree.html]Link
Just a heads up, there's a link to the Rolling Stone piece on that page, and there are some pretty gruesome (by normal standards) pictures in the article. Don't open those up with your family/friends around. |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 1:15pm |
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I saw that a few days ago on Drudge...
Amazing what humans can do to other humans and feel no shame or remorse, and even memorialize it and create "trophy's" of the brutality. Course I've never been in a warzone before, and I would imagine it changes you to a degree. Edited by Reb Cpl - 31 March 2011 at 12:13pm |
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Linus
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 1:31pm |
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The purported killing of civilians is bad... the actual killing of them is much worse, and if / when they get found guilty, they need to get what's coming to them.
But don't ever judge someone for having gallows humour / coping mechanisms. |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 1:39pm |
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This goes well beyond that, posing with a dead body as if it were a buck is past any normal behavior.
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Linus
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 1:52pm |
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Not speaking to that aspect, which clearly is wrong, but of the countless comments I've seen about soldier cheering when an enemy is blown up, etc etc Heck, let's go back to the WikiLeaks video of last year-ish where you can hear the pilots noticeably happy when they get a kill... there were people that was disgusted at what they were saying... people that will never have to deal with death on a daily basis. You're in EMS. You know what is said at times. If an EMT or Paramedic takes a picture posing with a body, they deserve what's coming to them. But that's about the extent of it. Doing some of the things done doesn't make you have a "disregard for human life"... infact, it MAKES you human. Edited by Linus - 29 March 2011 at 1:58pm |
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DaveEllis
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 2:17pm |
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In the heat of the moment when you are down to basic instincts and its killed or be killed I can understand things happen and that is fine. But after the fact to be posing with a dead body or using shears to cut off a finger is a whole different realm.
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 2:18pm |
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Linus, HUGE difference. Gallows humour is one thing, being disturbed to the level of running over children after baiting them in front of the vehicle with candy....huge difference. They have psychological problems, and they're only going to get worse with the lack of care there is.
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 6:26pm |
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Warfare is brutality, plain and simple. Since man first took the life of another man a 'trophy' of that victory has been taken. Roman soldiers took trophys, medevil and rennesance(sp) warriors took trophys usually a head on a stake, modern man, as well as barbarian warriors (scalping was a european paying for confirmed kills of other europeans in North America). 20th century wars have all had trophys of some form, WW1 French Troops kept the skulls of Germans they found among the shell craters of Verdun, WW2 American Marines put the skulls of Japamese on display as trophys, the Vietnam 'ears' is not a rumor.
Warfare brings out the inhumanity in man, and unchecked by the chain of command will lead to excess. Somewhere somehow these troops percieved that command condoned these actions in some way, means, manner, or form. Or simply the barbarity we have deep within us came out. Man is a preditory specis, and when he kills in warfare his deep primal need for a trophy will at times come out. And those who have seen the face of war, the instants of barbarity in the face of civilization understand more than anyone else can comprehend. I do not condone the actions, but more than understand where it came from. |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 6:44pm |
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I also question the definition of 'atrocity'. The killing of helpless civilians in war is an atrocity, the genocide of any racial or religious group by a government is an atrocity, the killing of a criminal as punishment for a crime is an atrocity (by current definition). But as FE states the killing of a human fetus is not seen as an atrocity, baffles many in the way it is defended by those who see the death of another human (who managed to cross the 'goal line') in certian manners as an atrocity.
Abortion can be seen as an atrocity to many, based on their belief system, I as one who has taken life, in a socially 'approved' manner, does question the taking of the life of an innocent human fetus, based on the stopping of a human heart, if it looks like a human, anyone who can kill that fetus out of hand medically is no better than those who perform any attrocity against his fellow man in war. Genocide or Holocaust, abortion is no differant, but another way man 'legalized' the stopping of a beating heart (who can not defend itself, now how easy is that). Man is a predator, can and does show barbarity in many forms, and then can justify that barbarity for the means needed, when convienient. Edited by oldsoldier - 29 March 2011 at 6:47pm |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 6:49pm |
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So women shouldn't menstruate and waste eggs, and men shouldn't EVER climax for any reason except procreation? Where do you draw the line of what's alive, since eggs and cells certainly are.
And OS, this isn't just trophys. This is far, far beyond trophies. |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 7:57pm |
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This isn't trophies. This is cold blooded murder, and the celebration thereof. There is no place for these scum in any professional military.
Never mind the terrible effect such actions have on the trust of the locals, and consequently the integrity of the force as a whole and the concordant impact on the mission. |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 8:14pm |
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We need more soldiers like this.
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 9:57pm |
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What a miserable fail of a troll post. |
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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
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Posted: 29 March 2011 at 11:57pm |
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The more this stuff happens. The more insurgents we spawn. More insurgents means more casualties. More casualties means more public outcry. So hopefully they come home faster. Or we pull a stunt and enact the draft. Kids getting killed who volunteered, is entirely different than kids getting killed who did not. If the draft is enacted, their will be protest in every city.
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:00am |
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Wait wait....so because I volunteered my life means less to people than that of a person who was hypothetically drafted? I know I shouldn't feed the troll on this one but I can't help it now.
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:16am |
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Or they can just not make their job harder than it needs to be, and finish sooner with better results and fewer deaths all around. All, the draft is never coming back. The military as a whole is currently downsizing. Forgive me for invoking jmac, but why release all of this pent up retard all of a sudden?
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:18am |
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Never said worth less. But their would be more public outcry, if people were getting killed who did not volunteer. While fighting a war that we have no idea why, we are.
Teenager drives drunk, kills themself. Their would be some anger towards who provided the booze etc. But mostly sadness.
Teenager gets killed by drunk driver. Their would be public outcry in the community. A thousand facebook pages etc.
Both had the same value of life, but how they died is different. Which in return would spark different and stronger emotions.
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:29am |
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You honestly think we will win this war? We are not fighting a nation. We are fighting an idea, religous based on top of it.
We kill one insurgent, we spawn 2 new ones. We kill one civilian we spawn 10 insurgents.
Yes we need to educate the kids, and brainwash them to our ideals. But when they see their parents who believe in their cause, get blown up. They go the other direction.
We have already lost, they dragged us into a land war; just like they wanted to. They are going to beat us economically, and they already have.
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:34am |
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That was kinda my point. The fewer civilians we murder and desecrate, the fewer insurgents we will have to fight.
But your approach is apparently to murder as many civilians as possible to make the region even more volatile so that more Americans can die sooner so that public opinion will be turned against the government and force them to withdraw ASAP. Keep it up, tiger  Edited by GroupB - 30 March 2011 at 12:40am |
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Posted: 30 March 2011 at 12:42am |
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But the whole point of this war is to eradicate the insurgents right? Do you think it's possible for us to eliminate everyone who goes against out beliefs?
As soon as we leave the country will go back to what it was. Might was well do it now before we bankrupt ourselves. Which in the end is what they want to see. They will all be cheering when they see the rioting and chaos, that is going to spread all across this country. Because they know they had a part in taking down the 2nd roman empire.
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