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    Posted: 01 August 2005 at 12:42pm
So, ofcourse, I love google, google's a great friend to me.

So I was just reading all the swastika garbage and it got me curious about this good luck charm of yours.

Well, after reading this lovely article...

It makes me wonder why ejp posted the image representing the Nazi flag and not an image of this 
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Clearly, he wants to make a stupid point, but does he really have to go through the trouble of offending some of the forumers in the process?

I'm just curious why a mod hasn't reacted to it and any sensible mod would know there are many Jews on the forum and some would find it offensive. 

In any event, I present my sig, a good luck gesture to America...

(and yes, I'm aware I'm sinking myself to his level by using a sig similar to his, but by his definition, it's simply a good luck gesture)

I'll keep my eyes to the sky for Superman...



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Wow, You have changed your sig in ages.

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He is making a point.

Hes using the same arguement that the people who support the confedurate flag do.

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Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

He is making a point.

Hes using the same arguement that the people who support the confedurate flag do.



It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.

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While I am aware of there disscussion going on about offensiveness of symbols and flags, turning this forum into a pro Nazi rally isnt the way to prove a point.

I will also take down the burning cross. If I have missed any PM me or post who has what in here.
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Beautiful.

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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

He is making a point.

Hes using the same arguement that the people who support the confedurate flag do.



It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.

No, its teh perfect way to make a point.
The swastick(sp) did mean good luck.
As the confedurate flag also meant state rights.

But, people used them for thier cause and changed thier meanings.
People use the confedurate flag as a way to show hate towards minorities.
The swastick is now considered a symbol of hate.

Personally, I would be very worried walking into a GOVERNMENT building that has a Nazi flag hanging up, as I would walking into a GOVERNMENT building that has a confederate flag hanging up.
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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:


Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

He is making a point.

Hes using the same arguement that the people who support the confedurate flag do.




It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.


Yep, the Nazi flag is capable of only one interpretation. But the swastica image, has been a good luck charm for and unbeleivably long time. When dealing with symbols, you cannot use your own culture as a magnafying glass. We are all aware of what the Nazi flag means, and the feelings it carries, perhaps the nazi flag was a poor example.

But the confederate flag is completely different. Yes it was a battle flag during the civil war, but it was also part of the flags before the civil war, the stars and bars do not only represent hate, or murder, or genocide. People have used it and twisted it to advertise white supremacy, but they have also used the swastica and cross and another of other images. They pick these images, these very serious images in an effort to be taken seriously.
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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:


It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.

I disagree.  The comparison is perfect.

The flag is a symbol of pride, of unity and determination, and of great strides in accomplishment.

To others, it is a symbol of hate.

Quick - which flag am I describing?

 

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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:


It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.

I disagree.  The comparison is perfect.

The flag is a symbol of pride, of unity and determination, and of great strides in accomplishment.

To others, it is a symbol of hate.

Quick - which flag am I describing?

 

Nail on the head.

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The Nazi flag. You just described germanies nationalistic pride post WWI. Then you described the unity of the germans and how they were determined to create the german holy nation and such. Then the great strides in accomplishment refers to hitlers policies getting the country out of a rediculous amount of debt. Am i right?
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He's describing both. Or possibly any flag for that matter. The people living under it see it as one thing. The outsiders see it for something else.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VisionIMP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2005 at 1:11pm
I understand the different meaning of the swastika, but for me i can never look at it as a symbol of good luck. Its one of those things that has been drilled into people that just doesnt go away, i guess.
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Funny, as a Suddam loyalist, I thought she was describing the American Flag.

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The confenerate flag. People who supporrted the conferatcy still hang that flag proudly. All southern states came together under that flag. They fought to the last man to get what they wanted.
But, it also can show hate towards minorities.
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cda's spelling is atrocious.

living in the south, i know plenty of people who sport the confederate flag proudly. i personally do not display it, just not really my heritage. my family roots were not here during the civil war.

as far as the confederate flag goes, it can be interpreted many ways, as can any flag. guess it all depends on which side of the flag you stand upon.

touchy subject, i'm not gonna get heavily involved in it.
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Exactly, if you are a black person living in the north, there is a chance you are very against the flag. If you are an average joe living in the south. You probly wont pin it up everywhere but you dont think it represents hate.
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:


It's a crappy point. The Confederate flag has various interpretations. The Nazi party flag is just a symbol of hate.

I disagree.  The comparison is perfect.

The flag is a symbol of pride, of unity and determination, and of great strides in accomplishment.

To others, it is a symbol of hate.

Quick - which flag am I describing?

 



How many germans are proud to fly that flag outside their window these days?

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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

cda's spelling is atrocious.

I know, tell me about it. Hooked on phonics did not work.
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In germany their history books are very acurate. They acknowledge that it was deplorable and wrong. The Nazi symbol is outlawed. Funny, they have no neo nazis but we do.
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