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ekeboo
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Topic: Tallen and DeTrev!! (Autococker Q)Posted: 12 April 2007 at 1:40pm |
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So i have an old 98ish or so Autococker. Its high Pressure. Im wondering if i can get it to Low Pressure?? Possible?? Who makes the best stuff??
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tallen702
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:36pm |
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Yep! AKALMP, Shocktech, and Madman to name a few.
You can find most of them in review form here AKA, Madman, and Shocktech all still make their valves. You don't necessarily need a low-pressure chamber for the marker (a volumizer really) so long as you aren't firing a mini or micro 'cocker due to the fact that there is more than enough valve chamber room in a standard cocker to keep the flow up. You'll also need to change out your springs. AKA makes nice matched spring kits for your hammer and valve springs. Now, the fact that you have a pre-'99 means that there are some things that won't translate between your marker and a post '99 'cocker. The main things are bolts, and front blocks and banjo screws. You can change your back-block to a '99+ back block to use 2K bolts, and the front-block doesn't matter unless you're seriously desiring something like a light-weight block. Now, that said, AKA also makes a nice heavy-weight hammer for lp-cockers. It's a brass hammer with a SS front which works really well for LP Mech 'cockers. The added weight helps the dwell factor giving you the lowest operating pressure possible. Not so good for high-cycle rates like you get with E-blades, but nice for mechs. Hope that helps! Oh, and get a good reg, AKA 2-liter or sidewinder. Good recharge rate and excellent LP characteristics. EDIT: You're going to need a valve tool as well. Edited by tallen702 - 12 April 2007 at 3:38pm |
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ekeboo
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:50pm |
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Thanks Tallen, Im pretty sure its Pre 99 but not totally sure. Not quite the Cocker Wiz but hopefully getting smarter. Ill get a pics up soon. It does have a Palmer Stab, Micro Rock, and Quickswitch, I'll Get pics soon.
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:53pm |
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Wut he said. I wanna see pics, so hurry up! :P |
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ekeboo
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:15pm |
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Ok,Ok,Ok, Here they are well some.
pic of bolt says G-1??? Whats that mean ![]() Front Block from Palmers gots it cheap!!!! ![]() Main Pic ![]() One last pic. ![]() So could I buy the AKA Valve with their Pre-2000 Delrin Bolt?? Serial # 49581 Edited by ekeboo - 12 April 2007 at 4:16pm |
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DeTrevni
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:20pm |
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That looks more like a 2k1ish P-Block. It's a nice 'cocker by the way. As for G-1, I'm not sure. Maybe a model number. Also, I notice a low pressure chamber on the front pneumatics. I don't know what the internals are, but it looks decently set up for LP... I'm almost certain though that it's post 2k. |
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:25pm |
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Well D, I think the low pressure chamber is just a long screw but im probably wrong. But its not even close to the size they are now. Once again thanks for the Info. Ill take a crack at the valve as soon as i get the tool.
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DeTrevni
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:28pm |
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It could be an extended screw, as I have seen those before. Edit: After looking, I think you're right. Probably just an extended screw to make removal easier. Edited by DeTrevni - 12 April 2007 at 4:29pm |
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:30pm |
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So How hard is it getting a valve out???? Do i really need a tool?
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:40pm |
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I'd suggest it. You could probably find a tool for $5 over PBN or something. I think you can use an allen wrench (I forget which size), but it's pretty difficult...
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:49pm |
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Nice cocker. Ive been meaning to ask both you guys for a while, not to jack the thread, but if a heavier hammer will put a great increase in kick. Im looking at that AKA one as well as their valve and spring kits... but im wondering if the hammer would be worth it. Now that im here, do we have all the "hardcore" cocker people on the forum here?
Wait, I found my answer from when I first started with cockers.
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 5:09pm |
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Well, it shouldn't increase kick, as it's not a blow back. the hammer doesn't do a thing but strike the valve. The backblock/ram is in charge of resetting everything. If there is an increase in kick, it'll be minimal.
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 5:31pm |
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okay. I was just thinking, more moving wieght has to do something, but youre right. |
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 5:33pm |
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There probably will be some added kick, but it's still gonna be a lot smoother than a blowback.
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 7:22pm |
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No-kick really. I've found that if tuned properly, despite what weight hammer you have, 'cockers don't have any kick aside from what movement your hands put on it when pulling the trigger (Middle finger FTW!!!!)
As for the G-1, it's an OTP G-1 Bolt. It was one of the first to use o-rings around the channel hole to seal the bolt against the tube to create suction and prevent blow-back during rapid firing (back when Revvy's were high-end stuff) That's definitely a 2K+ vert body, shocktech hinge frame, Dye Stickies, Palmer's stab, Palmer front block, and what looks like an ANS drop w/ on/off. The pump arm and cocking rod are both stock, the ASA isn't from that body. You can tell from the mis-match of anno. You're missing your beaver tail. (get one before you whack yourself or loose your cocking rod) IF you've got some extra cash to burn. I'd suggest an AKA pump arm (they're straight so there's no bending and thus, no lateral force placed on the bolt, cocking rod, or back block) change the ASA to a 11*, and learn to use a slider like a REAL MAN!!!!
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 7:49pm |
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So for a new bolt, If i should get one. I get one thats Post 2k. Right??? And ive been looking at the AKA for stuff. But i dont have money quite yet but after this weekend i should be good for cash. Also what springs are good??
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 7:56pm |
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 11:42pm |
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hmmm, you may be right about the frame, I know you're right about the on/off.
Anywho. As for the bolt question that ekeboo's got, the p-block you have may make it a little tougher to use a '00+ bolt. My suggestion would be to see if anyone else at your field, or any of your friends have a bolt you can try to fit in. It may take pre-99 bolts due to the fact that the p-block brings the pin in closer. I really can't tell just by looking. As for recoil Yomillo, the LPR is the biggest contributing factor. Most people crank it way-high thinking that the faster the back block snaps back, the better. Really, you want to hold the trigger with the marker de-cocked. Then slowly turn up the LPR until it pushes the block back to the point that the marker cocks when you release the trigger. Then give it a quarter-turn for good measure (and to ensure that you've got enough re-charge for those rapid-fire situations). Easiest thing to tune on a 'cocker. Wow, this place is getting big on 'cockers lately! I'm so proud!!!! Oh, and I'm going to go ahead and film myself doing some simple maintenance and timing to help those who care for it. |
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Posted: 13 April 2007 at 12:20pm |
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Oh tallen i have always wanted an autococker, thing of beauty. Anyways on the bolt question. I found a person with an 02 or 03 vert cocker. The bolts were different. The pin hole was way off like by half an inch. So this makes it pretty sure that its a pre 99 right??
P.S. would really appreciate the Vid!!! |
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Posted: 13 April 2007 at 1:16pm |
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Yeah, a vid would be great!
No thread jacking, I just finished putting together my 'cocker after checking if the 3 way orings were ok, I'll take some time on sunday to sweetspot the regulators. Any advice on sweetspotting the regulators? I need to set both inline and lpr... ![]() |
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