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    Posted: 09 May 2009 at 3:31pm
Smart Move

I'm happy to see this for sure, a step in the right direction IMO.
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Nice. Abstinence-only education has failed horribly, IMO. We need to teach teens to be safe and responsible rather than trying to tell them not to have sex because it's bad.

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"All the studies show that abstinence does not work."

This is the most moronic thing I've ever read.
Abstinence EDUCATION might not work, but abstinence itself I'm pretty sure is foolproof.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

"All the studies show that abstinence does not work."This is the most moronic thing I've ever read. Abstinence EDUCATION might not work, but abstinence itself I'm pretty sure is foolproof.


I'm sure it was just lazy wording, and abstinence education is what they were discussing. Good eye though.
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Even then, it is abstinence only education that is the problem. They problematic word here is ONLY, not abstinence.

A combined safe-sex and abstinence curriculum is your best bet.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Even then, it is abstinence only education that is the problem. They problematic word here is ONLY, not abstinence.

A combined safe-sex and abstinence curriculum is your best bet.


Indeed, which is why the abstinence portion of the education needs a revamping, not an elimination.
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I don't think anyone thinks that abstinence isn't an option at all, but its sort of the factory default setting, people need to be educated about what happens when/ if they choose to do their own thing (or someone elses)
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

I don't think anyone thinks that abstinence isn't an option at all, but its sort of the factory default setting, people need to be educated about what happens when/ if they choose to do their own thing (or someone elses)


The two can, and should, be properly taught together. It is more that the "factory setting." If you explain it as such, you are doing it wrong.

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Well all my life it has seemed like common sense to me that if you dont want to have sex, you dont.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Well all my life it has seemed like common sense to me that if you dont want to have sex, you dont.


The key words here have been accentuated for effect.
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I know, I understand your point, just elaborating on why I feel that way.
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I'm no social scientist, but I suspect that the main divide, demographic wise, that causes a need for a combined abstinence and safe-sex curriculum is gender based. Females, no pun intended, carry a heavier load of burden when it comes to the outcome of unsafe sex, and need to be aware of the percentages of risk of everything.

And the percentages, while minute, still exist.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Well all my life it has seemed like common sense to me that if you dont want to have sex, you dont.


The key words here have been accentuated for effect.

In all fairness agentwhale, I don't think anyone needs to be taught that they don't have to do something they don't want to do, at least as far as your friends (in this case a bit more, but the point remains valid) are concerned.

We don't need to teach people that society is ok with abstinence. We need to have a society that is ok with abstinence. Given that, the rest will follow.

I'm not suggesting of course that no teacher dares speak of abstinence in a sex-ed class. But really, it doesn't deserve much mention in that setting: the time should be spent dealing with what to do if you choose to be sexually active.
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Originally posted by Ilford Rule Ilford Rule wrote:

I don't think anyone needs to be taught that they don't have to do something they don't want to do,


I think you would be very surprised.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Ilford Rule Ilford Rule wrote:

I don't think anyone needs to be taught that they don't have to do something they don't want to do,


I think you would be very surprised.
I'm going to go ahead and say that the latter part of my sentence - i.e., the part you didn't quote - is pretty important to it's meaning. Also, telling people that they can be abstinent and it's fine is worth nothing if as soon as they leave the classroom their society is putting the pressure back on them. Society being made up of people, and us being (presumably LOL) people, that just means not instantiating that pressure ourselves, and trying to stop others when they do so.
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Originally posted by Ilford Rule Ilford Rule wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Ilford Rule Ilford Rule wrote:

I don't think anyone needs to be taught that they don't have to do something they don't want to do,


I think you would be very surprised.
I'm going to go ahead and say that the latter part of my sentence - i.e., the part you didn't quote - is pretty important to it's meaning. Also, telling people that they can be abstinent and it's fine is worth nothing if as soon as they leave the classroom their society is putting the pressure back on them. Society being made up of people, and us being (presumably LOL) people, that just means not instantiating that pressure ourselves, and trying to stop others when they do so.


Very true. Sorry I miss-read the second half there.
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No means maybe?
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

No means maybe?


Just remember, if you yell "Surprise!" first.......its all good.
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What if you don't speak the same language as them? Or they can't talk yet?
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

No means maybe?


Just remember, if you yell "Surprise!" first.......its all good.


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