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    Posted: 16 March 2010 at 9:07pm
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This is shocking! Wait, no, sadly it's not.
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I saw this the other day on the news....it pisses me off to no end. Such stupidity is amazing. 
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"History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left."

Um, no. As research on a subject continues and increases, the probability of academic representations of that subject approaching factual truth approach 1. It's like a reverse Godwin. If reality is 'skewed too far to the left', well, tough. Go cry over your bowl of false conceptions and erroneous beliefs.

"There were no historians, sociologists or economists consulted at the meetings, though some members of the conservative bloc held themselves out as experts on certain topics."

Screw the experts. They ain't 'Merican enough. Cut!

"Mavis B. Knight, a Democrat from Dallas, introduced an amendment requiring that students study the reasons “the founding fathers protected religious freedom in America by barring the government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion above all others.”

It was defeated on a party-line vote."

Screw the first amendment. It ain't 'Merican enough. Cut!

"Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)"

One of the founding fathers didn't say what we want to founding fathers to have said. He ain't 'Merican enough. Cut!



This is so many different kinds of wrong...
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The Pendulum Therory at its finest. For so long the ciruculum was swinging 'progressive' and courses leaned too far left forgeting or 'dumbing down' history, english, high math and sciences. Now the pendulum in Texas swingsd right and hopefully one day it will sit at center.

I find it interesting that in my college level American government class the majority of the recent high school graduates did not even know how the government works structurally, but know how 'bad' Bush was, and the standard 'talking points'. The prof actually showed the old 'School House Rock' video on how a bill becomes law so the class could hopefully grasp.

Culture studies should not be the 'primary' emphisis in high school, the fundimentals should, one of the reasons we are falling behind Germany, India, Japan, China in core high subjects.

Government Question: Who is the President of The Senate?

Answer carefully then read Sarah Palin's answer and wonder why the press called her answer 'dumb'.
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Since when does the left hate history English math and science?
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

The Pendulum Therory at its finest. For so long the ciruculum was swinging 'progressive' and courses leaned too far left forgeting or 'dumbing down' history, english, high math and sciences. Now the pendulum in Texas swingsd right and hopefully one day it will sit at center.

I find it interesting that in my college level American government class the majority of the recent high school graduates did not even know how the government works structurally, but know how 'bad' Bush was, and the standard 'talking points'. The prof actually showed the old 'School House Rock' video on how a bill becomes law so the class could hopefully grasp.

Culture studies should not be the 'primary' emphisis in high school, the fundimentals should, one of the reasons we are falling behind Germany, India, Japan, China in core high subjects.

Government Question: Who is the President of The Senate?

Answer carefully then read Sarah Palin's answer and wonder why the press called her answer 'dumb'.

My American civics are rusty, but it's the Vice President, is it not?


Edited by brihard - 16 March 2010 at 10:33pm
"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011.

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Yes, but when Sarah Palin mentioned that 'fact' the media called her an 'idiot'.

The left is not against history when it conforms and is molded into thier belief system. The word is 'revisionist'. White slave owners created the country and fostered the slave trade. No one mentions the majority of the founders who were against slavery, just the few targets required. Both Abraham Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas (1858) stated that slavery in the US would die on its own as the population of the south increased and the need for jobs for that population overwhelmed the slave market. But few know the progression of slavery in the South from the founding and the individuals most responsible for its continuation. And which party right up to the 60's was segregationist.
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+1 e punch to oldsoldier.

The democratic party denies that it was conservative until the 1930's?

Really?

It's called realiignment and it occurred from 1932 and 1952.

What is your problem exactly? The democrats turned progressive to individual rights and the repubs turned conservative. How can you make a positive spin on that?

Zomg, we used currently hate you, they used too, but they now support you, now turn against them. You'll agree with us...

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I think the major swing was in the 60's just after the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats (Dixiecrats) were firmly segregationists and it took Republicans to push the bill to passing. George Wallace ran on a segregationist as well as the Dem party platforms. The 'radicals' as they were called drifted to the more 'socialist' inclined Democrats as the Dems reeled from defeat in 68, and looked for a new voter base, and platform to counter the Republican Conservative message. The Democrat change actually chased the Dem Dixiecrats to the Republicans.

Research the 68 Democrat Presidential contenders, and the major shift in platforms after the defeat of 68. I still remmember Georgia in the early 70's and even today in the deep south as I drove my truck in Democrat led communities where Dems are firmly in charge politically and there is a very distinct culture line drawn and supported politically in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisianna, and still along racial lines.

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As an aspiring History teacher/atheist, this rubs me the wrong way in many ways, but if I can play devil's advocate (something the discipline should require) I'd like to share my thoughts.

Academia IS slanted to the left, my leftist professors would agree and not necessarily think it's a good thing. Most will admit that they have a personal bias, the good ones acknowledge that and he great do such a good job you could never tell what it is.

From what I have read, the new criteria covers some important issues that have been ignored. The '94 elections were covered in my high school textbooks, but the influence of conservatism has been a great force shaping modern politics, and it's about tie it has been examined and recognized for it.

Teachers in many districts don't need to teach directly from the text. Accommodations to those with special needs, I think you could each an effective lesson in a cave drawing in the sand with a stick. Ultimately a teacher's task is to provide students with information, preferably primary sources and he tools to make sense of them. Even if you have a bias textbook, it doesn't mean you're going to automatically brainwash students into believing the text word for word. Hell, my future students are going to read some of the nti-federalist papers if I have anything to say about it.

Overall I find the process and motivations behind this disgusting, and the downplaying of Jefferson retarded, but our history has a bad habit of sanitizing historical figures. The lack panther's and race riots should get time along with Dr. King and Rosa Parks. Parks' treatment by history disturbs me a lot. I don't think she gets enough credit for her activism, she's often portrayed as someone who committed a spontaneous ac of passive resistance, students need to whole story of how she was actually involved in the civil rights movement.

I refuse to see this as an assault on history, considering the ever changing nature of how it interpreted, crazy as these people are, they do have some points, and this is nowhere near as intellectually insulting as teaching intelligent design. I'll withhold final judgment until I can get my hands on one of these textbooks.
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Another really sad thing. I almost posted this link to my facebook, until I remembered that most people I know, would think that this is a good thing. (if they actually read it)

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OLD...

 
 
 
Interesting that the NY Times ignored the reason they needed to go right in this discussion... Typical liberal msm spin.
 
Here I'll post it again.
 
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 
 
"Probably for that reason, a liberal onslaught has been unleashed to try to influence these education standards. An unelected review panel, not the elected members of Texas State Board of Education (SBOE), attempted to push through a number of highly questionable changes to the standards – removing Independence Day, Neil Armstrong, Daniel Boone, and Christopher Columbus – from them. They even dumped Christmas and replaced it with Diwali. You can’t make this stuff up! After a huge outcry from citizens and strong leadership by conservatives on the Texas State Board of Education, each of these changes was reversed.

Sadly, the attacks didn’t stop there. Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison were removed from World History, yet Mary Kay and Wallace Amos (of Famous Amos Cookies) were added, it appears, for more “diversity.” That’s unbelievable. Edison is the greatest inventor in American history with over 1,000 patents; oh, and by the way, that Einstein guy was pretty successful too!

Again, that’s part of why the liberals attack. They don’t like the concept of American exceptionalism, both by those who were born here and by the other great high-skilled men and women who are so attracted to the United States that they moved here from other countries."

 
 
so, in review a group of non elected liberals try to ram through further dumbing down of our education and the actual elected board pushes back. And if you read almost any of the articles out, that isn't mentioned. The only part mentioned is the way the "conservative" board (which was elected mind you) is "influencing" our education.
 
Good for those elected officials, the liberal public education in America has poisoned the mind of too many of our youth already... We don't need MORE of that junk.
 
 
 
 
The unelected liberal group was going wacko as usual... And the ELECTED board put them back in their place, and then fixed some stuff that has been going on for years in our indoctrination schools...
 
Here are some examples, we live in a constitutional republic. NOT a democracy, they fixed that, but I bet many of you (since you were taught this) will argue that point.
 
Capitalism has been demeaned by the left to such an extent that most youth now think it is bad. Hence the need to use my moniker.
 
Free Enterprise is the only way to large scale success. Even though the President is trying to destroy the free enterprise system. (hmm, based on his liberal education?...) A clear look at history will lead anyone to see that it is the most powerful economic system in world history. Even a glimpse of the first pilgrims will enlighten people to the power of free enterprise.
 
Remember, they came to America, and built "communal" gardens, that they all helped out in. And they almost starved.
 
Then they gave each family their own piece of land to do with as they saw fit... And what happened? They never worried about starving again, as they worked harder when it was for only their family... And used the extra that they got to sell and again support their OWN family.
 
Free Enterprise is the engine that makes a society successful. Liberal education teaching people to just go out and get a job to work for the rest of your life, is a lesson in following instead of leading. They might as well just have everyone work in the same fields again. Because "it takes a village"... (ah, NO, it takes a FAMILY).
 
Liberal ideals like this only put the populus in a position where they will starve...
 
And we are witnessing this first hand now. but, how many can connect the dots?... With the indoctrination that goes on in public schools... evidently not many, as the socialist was elected, primarily by the youth...
 
 
I'm sure there isn't a correlation there...


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The issue here isn't that Texas is conservative, it's that it's full of stupid people, then.

Although these guys aren't doing any better than what you're accusing the liberals of doing.
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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

The issue here isn't that Texas is conservative, it's that it's full of stupid people, then.

Although these guys aren't doing any better than what you're accusing the liberals of doing.
 
 
I don't understand your statement...
 
 
One group was trying to dumb down the education... (a liberal unelected group)
 
And the actual elected board pushed back and fixed some of the stuff this same group did in the past, which indoctrinated instead of educated our youth for the past decade... The same decade many of you were "schooled" during. While the liberal media made these elected members out to be CrAzY ConserVaTives... while ignoring the reason they needed to do this...
 
You really don't see the spin by the media on this?...
 
 
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FE, elected or unelected, voting on changing history doesn't make it true and it is still wrong to teach little kids lies, regardless of how warm and fuzzy the lies are and how many many votes they passed with.
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The trouble with an elected body is that at times they need to pander to the electorate. That's exactly what's happened here. They're changing the curriculum for POLITICAL reasons. Nobody here is arguing that capitalist market theory ought not be included in a curriculum. I'm 100% in agreement with you there. But they're taking out Jefferson, for instance, who was very prominent in the development of Western democratic liberalism, but whose politics the school board doesn't agree with. 

Not everything is best done by an elected body. In this case we have a school curriculum that will shape a generation of kids being decided by a politically motivated body, most of whom lack actual expertise in the subject matter. This is sad.
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So you are for removing Christmas and adding "Diwali".

 
Got it...
 
What other "lies" did they propagate with these decisions?
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FE, you can't just brush off their pretty blatent agenda on this one. I'm with bri on this one. Yes, teach them about capitalism. Seriously tho? Removing Jefferson? Even you have to admit there is some really stupid things going on here, even if you don't dissagree with the entire thing.
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