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codfan8
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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 5:17pm |
maybe tippmann should move on from woodsball guns and try making speedball guns but have
center feed
flex valve or spool valve like on x7 phenom
clamping feed neck
no safety full auto or safety three shot burst true full auto and true three shot burst
new type of board with adjustable burst fire rounds
double trigger
make it look cool
internal gasline
make it so theirs lots of upgrades (response,trigger,flatline,e-grip etc)
try make it look like the gryphon
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Reb Cpl
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You'll never see Tippmann move away from the woodsball market. Why would they? They're the top company in the field. There are numerous companies out there vying for the top-dog position when it comes to speedball and such, but when you look at the woodsball world, who even comes CLOSE to matching what Tippmann's got?
Kingman used to be close with their Spyder line, but that's sort of fizzled out. There are dozens of companies out three making and selling accessories for the entire line of Tippmann's woodsball markers. They're dabbling with getting onto the entry level speedball stuff, like with the Gryphon, but its not their market. Woodsball will ALWAYS be around, and as long as it is, you'll see Tippmann running the show. Why leave what you're best at? |
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Magoo
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I kinda want to build a speedball gun out of the Phenom, but I'm not willing to drop the money on one. Like the E-Mag, I believe a lightened, center-feed Phenom could do very well on the speedball field.
But the problem is name. Like Reb said, Tippmann rules the woods. However, they're the laughing stock of the speedball field. They used to try with the E-Bolt 98C. Edited by Magoo - 09 February 2011 at 1:20pm |
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Uber J
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i think a lot of people will be very surprised by Tippmann's direction this year! Consider that they have in a very short amount of time produced a working spool valve design in two platforms, phenom and tpx. they have also purchased NXe, who for the most part were speedball associated. and have hired or worked with several industry engineers from angel, automag and the like. the gryphon for what its worth was a "entry level" speedball gun; centerfeed, double trigger, locking feed neck, internal gas line. im not saying there will be a tournament level marker but you may see Tippmann crossover into speedball sooner than you think!
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The Guy
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NXe was a softgoods manufacturer.
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Uber J
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Yes i understand NXe was a softgoods manufacturer, but what side of the paintball scene did NXe favor more? its almost inevitable for a company to branch out into new territory, Tippmann will always be associated with woodsball even if it tries the speedball scene, but that doesnt mean they should not try. as on e of the few paintball companies to be growing and earning they are in the best position to "experiment". all i can say is wait and see. i for one am very excited of whats to come.
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oldpbnoob
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I don't see it. In order to be competitive, there would have to be a total revamp rather than repackage of the existing 98 internals into yet another recast frame. Perhaps by using the Phenom valve, they have a base, but I just don't see them straying away from the clamshell design that has been integral to nearly every marker they have made since the introduction of the 98. Also, ironically the speedball oriented manufacturers seem to be moving more towards woodsball, i.e. Dyes new tactical line, Bob Long Mtac, etc. Seems counter to the industry movement. Also, it's a pretty big investment in an uncertain time. Everywhere it seems fields are closing down, companies are being bought, and people are leaving the hobby. Stranger things have happened, but unless you have a mole inside Tippmann with some differing info, I am very skeptical. Plus you have to overcome the stigma of the Tippmann name within the speedball crowd. If you want to hold up the Gryphon as an example of moving in this direction, they're going to have to do a lot better than that ugly turd of a marker.
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tacogood
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i agree. they already have manufactured the Gryphon which looks somewhat like a speedball gun but it could use some improvements. Center feed sounds good. should come standard with a double or blade trigger (same thing i know) for faster rate of fire. No point in the internal gas line it just takes up space for the internals. Popular with the other Tippmann markers there cant be a front grip. No speedball markers have frontgrips and the ones that do are just part of the gun. I would be very excited for a tippmann speedball gun but it would have to be inexpensive...kind of like a prototype and then the community could give them there feedback. If they did make a speedball gun i would hope that it looks like the Gryphon. It looks good but the rest is...not so good.
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Its not that i think stuipidity should be punishable by death, i just think we should take the warning labels off of things and let the problem handle itself.
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Uber J
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I will tell you that i do work at Tippmann and have for the last 8+years, started on the assembly floor worked my way up to service and now to Quality engineer. And as someone who plays all styles of paintball rec, woods, scenario, tournament, and pump this is the first time i am excited about what we have planned.
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oldpbnoob
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tacogood
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Im excited about a speedball gun but they have to keep making their current guns. Im gonna die if they stop selling 98C, A5, X7, X7 phenom, and TPX.
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Its not that i think stuipidity should be punishable by death, i just think we should take the warning labels off of things and let the problem handle itself.
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Ceesman762
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I doubt they will stop selling them. BTW, I never had a single issue using my A5 in speed ball.
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Uber J
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oldpbnoob- the name of the drill looking marker a few years back was the Triumph, and yes they were fugly. i also agree with you to some extent that most people, at least nowadays, dont consider the automags a speedball marker, however, at one time they were used by pro teams in tournaments.
tacogood- Tippmann will never stop making and selling 98s, A5s, or any other woodsball markers. after all its their bread and butter. Ceesman762- much like you i always did well with an A5 in speedball even though i preferred a 98 with centerfeed and ebolt, as did Tippmann Effect (psp team in 05-06) however there is something to be desired about the weight and size of these markers, right? |
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oldpbnoob
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It will be interesting to see if Tippmann truly does attempt an entry into "speedball type" markers. However, I also believe that if it ends up being another rehashed 98 variant, it will never gain true acceptance into the genre. Designwise, it will also have to be considerably better looking than the Gryphon. I have felt since the release of the Phenom that there was potential with this platform, hopefully Tippmann goes big with it rather that churning out something mediocre.
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Ceesman762
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Weight has not been an issue to me with the A5. The original hopper was an issue for me, I dumped it an put on the X7 hopper for it's low profile.
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"When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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Ceesman762
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I have tried an EGO and the Smart Parts Ion, I like them both after a full day at a local field, but I actually missed the weight of my A5. The others felt as if I treated them roughly that they would fall apart on me.
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oldpbnoob
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The ION probably would have.... Actually, my brother has one that he tinkers a lot with and at this point has it modded with an SP1 body, and BT Rip Clip set up that connects to a plate on the stock so that it sits actually directly behind the marker. He was beating on it pretty hard a few weekends ago and it seems to hold up. I didn't mind the weight that much either at one time. I think if you go back and look at some of my first posts a couple of years back, I used to defend the weight of A5's etc. My thinking has changed honestly, and I find myself gravitating towards lighter markers. However, I also pretty much only play big games/scenarios, so every time I play, I find myself walking A LOT. I'm not in the best of shape, and any weight reductions I can get is an advantage. |
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tacogood
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Yah i played along side a guy with an ION and wow that thing was just terrible. Its performance was great but he didnt use it once the entire day because he couldnt keep it working.
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Its not that i think stuipidity should be punishable by death, i just think we should take the warning labels off of things and let the problem handle itself.
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Ions were always a pain, but they came cheap and were easy to make your own.
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