autocoker, bko,tippy a5

^^ either you beleive what ever you hear or you had a bad experience with an older model but autocockers are not slow especially mine and its stock and a guy at my feild was acually about to trade his 03 shocker vision for it because it was so fast and nice and durable. Ive had this gun for 7 months and not one problem with it and not one upgrade on it either. And people have always asked about it and when they shot they it loved it. the autococker is fast enough for speedball and woodsball and is only 4-5 bps slower than the bko mayber 6 bps for 04 models but with the eblade it really rips

but the autococker is not that hard to clean really. and its very durable (mine is that is) but people at my feild with 04's have had no problems. an average speed for an autococker on hpa (helps) is 9 bps but with a spoon trigger or new frame and 3 way you can hit around 11 bps (some one at my feild hit 11 on mine i hit around 10 to 11 on average so they are quite fast. also are very accurate guns

(yes i no im bragging a little but they are that good ask anyone who owns one currently)

GET AN 04 vert

vftactical2 wrote: ^^ either you beleive what ever you hear or you had a bad experience with an older model but autocockers are not slow especially mine and its stock

Right O yea its not slow compared to those Timmies, Angels, shockers, Borgs, and other electro guns that shoot close to 20+bps and the cocker can barley do 10bps but other then that thier no slow.

vftactical2 wrote:  and a guy at my feild was acually about to trade his 03 shocker vision for it because it was so fast and nice and durable.

Thats guy is a moron. plain and simple. While Shockers are not the greatest guns they are alot faster then a stock cocker will ever be

Please get your facts straight. Don't say that cockers are fast when they can never compete with a high-end electro gun. and stop being so biased.

Panda Man wrote: Cockers are Mechanical anyway... there is no way they can reach over 8pbs... And there trigger isn't all that smooth in the first place, then if you dont time it just perfect you gadda worry about short stroking and blow back

Yea very true. Or you could just get an electric pnuematic gun which is alot easier since you don't have to worry about any of that stuff

No not really. I could actually go faster with my m98 the my old cocker. Atleast with my M98 I didn't have to worry about short stroking so I could shoot as fast as I wanted. Nice try at trying to make the cocker sound like a good gun.  

Panda Man wrote: you could buy a E-Cocker but there atleast 650$  A BKO with 300$ worth of upgrades would Dust a Cocker...

no **edited** in speed of course and i no an autococker is slower than a spyder but it is better but its better in reliability when it comes to going up against electros but with speed its no compitition electro wins of course

old cockers sucked thats why your 98c can go faster cause their slow as hell but the new 04's are way faster that the old 01's or 99's of course

i agree with you guys that cockers are slow but when i say their fast i mean in the mechanical market like up against other mechs not electros

so calm down its not like im saying cockers are better than every other gun out their but i dont appreciate you calling them the worst guns out their of course id rather have a high end electro thats why im getting the e2 frame

Pariel wrote: Scareface, let's go. My 'cocker, your 98. For starters, 'cockers are some of the most accurate guns on the market stock, and come at great price (I got my 2002 with all ANS pneumatics, Dye hinge frame, revvy, and 47/3000 tank for $250, '03 vert feeds go for $220).

How long have you been playing paintball? Are you that biased and that ignorant or are you just a dumb newb. How could actually believe a cocker is more acurate then anyother gun out there. That is pure BS and pure Whorre Hype. NO gun is more accurate then anyother gun out there. With a good barrel and a good paint to barrel bore match any gun will be accurate. I would say that- that pretty much invalidates that entire point. There goes attempt number one at trying to make a cocker sound good.  

Pariel wrote:  While it may not be as fast as an Impulse, or BKO, it's a LOT cheaper, has more upgrades, and is easily used by even new players. Just because you had trouble with short stroking doesn't mean 'cockers suck, you either can't time your 'cocker, or you just suck at shooting. I've shoot over 2000 balls through 'cocker in the past month, and the only time I've ever short stroked a 'cocker in my life was the first time I picked it up, and that was one ball.

Is it really ALOT cheaper eh...pff wow I think my head just exploded at the stupidity of this post. A stock Outkast cost close to $450, not much more then a stock Impy and a stock Bushmaster. The truth is that they all cost close to the same price as entry level electro guns and I would much rather have a B2k then a cocker. There goes attempt number two at trying to make a cocker sound good. I love how cocker people try to always blame the trashy quality of a cocker on the user. They can never admit that cockers are trash. As I have said before my cocker and the cockers of other people on my team had to be the worst guns we have ever used. With my cocker I had to replace about 100 different parts after the first month I used it. For the other people they had similar problems. For me that is good enough and convincing enough that cockers are trash. Also the fact that at tourneys there are always tons of people with cocker waiting to get thier guns fixed. Face it already cockers are a POS. They need close to 1,000 to make them as good as other guns out there and they are compleatly unreliable trash. You would be better off throwing the paint with your hands they using a cocker. Please just crawl back into your corner with your trashy gun and go play with yourself.