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Topic: Military Pay...Posted: 01 September 2007 at 7:14pm |
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I have seen this before and know it's quite old, but I've never seen it posted before so I thought I'd give it a go.
Somebody has started to straighten some of these thoughtless and ungrateful people out. And I am even more grateful that it was someone serving in one of the branches of military. Military paid too much ? You be the judge ! This is an Airman's response to Cindy Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Times about MILITARY PAY, it should be printed in all newspapers across America. On Nov. 12, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise coming service members' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve. A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this. "Ms Williams: I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40, after. I work in the Air Force Network Control Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum... I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions. Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in our armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN; I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience." As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving them. Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor. Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your opined piece. But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? Rubbish! A1C Michael Bragg Hill AFB AFNCC Edited by Heres To You - 01 September 2007 at 7:14pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 7:33pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 7:43pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 8:27pm |
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IMO a lot of military personal get paid sevral times what they are worth.
now dont get me wrong the low end enlisted ranks get paid crap base and have to work a lot of hours. but they get "bonuses" for just about everything. once you get into mid to high E ranks and im guessing all officer ranks you work less and make more.... the military pay:work is inverse. my step dads half retarded and works "tropical hours" (900-1300) 4-5 days a week. once a month he has to work a "24 hour shift" (gets to sleep and watch tv on base) but then they give him a day or 2 off after... hes making over $60,000 a year. most of which is tax free. (base pay is a little over 35k i think so on paper his salary is 35,000 a year but he makes almost twice that.) in my head... it would suck to be lower ranked personal no question about that. as for the guy saying his job as a civi would pay 70k-80k hes either not qualified (maybe not enough experience) or hes not able to hold a civilan job. or he would go get it... i would MUCH rather see fat trimmed off the top for the kids at the bottom rather than an overall pay raise. the military and government in genral are far to inefficient to be given any more money. i dont mean this to come off as an attack against military/government personal. more so towards the way it/they handle money. no argument i have heard saying the government is efficient or good with money can holds water... |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 8:34pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 8:40pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 8:47pm |
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It's not fake. That just said Cindy Williams isn't the Laverne and Shirley actress. She is a different person. The actress keeps getting hate mail, but says she didnt do it. |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 8:49pm |
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tl;dr
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 10:42pm |
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I don't see why that ends the thread. The point is somebody wrote, the fact that it wasn't a celebrity doesn't take away from the point that someone still believes that...
Merc- I don't know, personally, my NCO's do alot of work. They don't do as much physical work, but they definently put in their hours. Regardless, the hours aren't really where I feel you earn your pay. Leaving family, friends, girlfriends, and loved ones are where I feel you really should be cared for. The fact that this "reporter" or "journalist" feels like were given more than we deserve shows she's never even spent half an hour of research in the "real" military... |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 10:50pm |
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what an idiot.
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 11:07pm |
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What does that mean ? |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 11:37pm |
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Too long; Didn't read. Loosely translated, he didn't feel it was worth his time to go through the entire article, but did take the time to share his feelings about the fact that it would have been a waste of time. |
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 11:43pm |
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Well then in that case tl;dr |
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living in chesapeake VA i know a lot of people in the navy,coast guard, and government work. for the most part i hear/see that they dont have to do as much work as someone in a comparable civilan position.
im all for hazard duty pay for people in harms way... however a few years ago when the crap with hati started to go bad my step dads cutter went to drop off some refugees. they stopped well off shore and sent a small boat with Marines and the refugees ashore. they were in the area for only a few hours and again were well off shore. EVERYONE on that boat got hazard duty pay... the base pay doesnt include living allowance does it? i could be mistaken but i dont believe it does... so base pay might look like crap but then you add 800-1500$ a month depending on location and it doesnt look quite as bad. the "base pay" is basicly beer money to most of the guys around here. if single they get food and shelter handed to them and if they have a family they get a larger living allowance. (not saying living allowance shouldent be there but it should be... acknowledged that the base pay and actual pay are two very different numbers.) right now hes in yorktown. but i know of people who work similer hours as an E7 at little creak (there are MANY more ive heard of but these are people i know personaly) i dont disagree with people not being able to "make it" in the military/government work. they are to VERY different monsters and once you spend 10-15 years in one it is hard for a lot of people to change. "fat trimmed off the top": people who are actualy good at what they do and are in the military should stay but alot of people get where they are by who they know and not how good they are at a job. i also dident mean "cut off" the military but they need to restructure. FAR to much waste things getting lost or just stupid spending. seeing the way government spends the money on a local, state and federal level... i dont think i would want my money going to a federaly controlled health care system. and i also want my social security to be privatized. but thats another story all together... |
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 2:50am |
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if you would have read at the bottom of the snopes page, you would have seen that the article is genuine, as is the response by the named airman. the article was published, but the letter was not. |
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 3:14am |
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Speaking for myself, my tour to Afghanistan will (over 19 months of predeployment training and time oveseas) net me 60-70k raw pay, not including foreign service premium, hardship allowance and risk allowance. Plus about half that raw pay will be tax free.
That's just Canada though... |
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But once you factor in car payment, insurance (which in Hawaii is ridiculous), phone bill (which is alot when your family is in NC), and food, what's left isn't near as high as that lump sum your looking at. |
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Posted: 02 September 2007 at 11:51am |
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^all of those things are called bills which most people have to pay...
no one has all of their money as free spending money... but your "base pay" is for luxuries. all of your necessities are provided or paid for. (shelter, food, clothing, ect.) dont get me wrong i know you have bills we all do. but you get money for everything you need on top of your base pay. saying "i have bills so im not really getting that money" is silly... your not going to be able to pocket all of your earnings most of us cant. so when its all said and done all you have to pay for is your car and calling home? they will feed you on base but i know its good to get out some times and eat someplace nice... what kind of car did you get? not saying you but alot of the guys around hear spend most all of their $ on their car. its not bad when its the only bill you have... im not saying you get to pocket all of your earnings but getting $13,000 and having to pay for everything is MUCH different than $13,000 and having everything provided... (side note: check out USAA they were half the price that Geico is when my family looked into it. my sister is going to be saving over $1000 a year on her car insurance.) |
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