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    Posted: 16 February 2009 at 11:47pm
So, I have Googled this a bit, but I figured I would try here and see what the automotive minds have to say.

My truck, a 2000 Ford Ranger with a manual transmission, is having the following problems:

About a month ago, it began making a scratching noise whenever I had the clutch pressed down and the shifter was in first while at idle. Once I got into about second gear, the sound stopped. The sound would also stop if I put the shifter in neutral and took my foot off the clutch.

This happened in cold weather, and seemed to stop once it warmed up. I thought it had to do with the cold, but now it seems I might have been wrong.

I recently returned from a trip to Tallahassee, about 500 miles round-trip. Once returning, as in once I got off the Interstate and got back down to shifting speeds, it got REALLY hard to get into first gear when I am stopped.

By that, I mean I have to muscle the shifter stick into position. Something under the truck makes a loud THUNK once I finally muscle the shifter into gear, followed by a scratching/screeching noise that will continue until I get to about 35 miles per hour or third gear, depending on which comes first. After third, the gears shift clean. Also, if I hit a speedbump or pothole, the screeching sound will return temporarily.

On top of all that, once I muscle the shifter stick into place, it has a tendency to shimmy and shake a lot.


Any guesses?




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Screeching sound when you put the clutch down could be the release bearing. But it goes away in different gears so it might not be.

Hard to get into first could be a worn synchro since they are just thin brass spacers that slow the next gear down.

Go take it to a mechanic and ask him to have a listen to the noises.


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did you check the flux-capacitor? honestly though, no idea.  My extremely amateur guess is that your synchros may be going bad.  probably something with the clutch as well.  most likely the capacitor though. I would start there first.
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Sounds like parts of the clutch are starting to go, maybe a throw out bearing or pressure plate? Either way it sounds like its going to be a pain to repair as you need to drop the transmission to get at the clutch assembly.

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im gonna go with .636 and say the synchronizers may be going bad, best to have a mechanic check it out to make sure.
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Sorry I don't have any advice as I know very little about vehicles. Does anyone still have that MS Paint drawing of whale's truck that newport made back in the day?
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it's not clutch/throw out bearing or pressure plate, or you'd notice it in every gear, I think 636 is right, the synchro is mashed. You could drain the oil and I'm guessing you'll see lots of lovely filings in the oil but if you are on a budget, it's not the end of the world, I drove my jeep for 3 years with 1st gear synchro's shot, double clutching helps, hitting it at the right revs, you'll get a feel for it and it pops right in.
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Sounds like ya sycros are toasted.  I AM a mechanic but without feeling/hearing the damage making a guess is pretty hard.

IF ya match the rpms perfect (like shifting without a clutch you should be ok).  But bassically it means you need a trans rebuild. 

Good news is a 5 speed is bone simple to work with and you could fesibly get another 5 speed from a scrapers for cheap and do a quick swap. 

 
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It's a ford. ( How has anyone not said this yet)
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From your description I'm caught between two diagnosis.
I'll post the two symptoms and you can decide which is the best
fit, though they both end up in the same labour charges.
 
(1) Clutch release bearing. (throw out bearing)
      Can hiss or sqeal at an idle with the clutch out.
      Can cause difficulty moving shifter from neutral to 1st/reverse
      Gets worse or louder as you depress clutch pedal
      Replace clutch and release bearing.
 
(2)Crankshaft pilot bearing
     Pilot bearings can squeal quite loudly when clutch is depressed
     and transmission is in 1st at a stop.
     Will cause difficulty engaging gears.
     Pilot bearings always go quiet once the clutch pedal is released
     Replace pilot bearing
 
The release bearing (throw out bearing) almost always damages the
fingers of the pressure plate, that's why a new clutch is usually required.
 
My guess is you just need a clutch, pressure plate, and release bearing.
 
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Originally posted by IMPULS3. IMPULS3. wrote:

It's a ford. ( How has anyone not said this yet)


Because it is dumb.
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Imho best thing to do right now whale is listen. Have somone push the clutch down while you listen under the vehicle and tell us if its coming from the Transmission its self or the  bell housing that connects the tranny to the engine.

If its inside the bell housing then its going to be a throw out bearing, pressure plate or as mentioned above the pilot bearing. throw out bearings  make an awful noise when they let go. I blew mine up in december and it made one hell of a noise. Its in about 19 peices on my garage wall right now.

If its coming from the transmission then you know its something serious and will need to drop some money into it.
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Here's a thought, if it's a synchro going bad, would double-clutching eliminate the issue as it would give the gears a chance to synchronize without the need of the synchro itself?

Although, looking at tin-man's post, it may be the pilot bearing on the crankshaft. The symptoms fit the best with that one. Oh, and if the pilot bearing on the shaft goes, you wind up needing a whole new tranny. Happened on my subie back in the day. Mind you, the subie still ran and shifted.... weird I know...
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Here's a thought, if it's a synchro going bad, would double-clutching eliminate the issue as it would give the gears a chance to synchronize without the need of the synchro itself?

Although, looking at tin-man's post, it may be the pilot bearing on the crankshaft. The symptoms fit the best with that one. Oh, and if the pilot bearing on the shaft goes, you wind up needing a whole new tranny. Happened on my subie back in the day. Mind you, the subie still ran and shifted.... weird I know...


Not necessarily, all depends on how the input shaft looks. if its not worn out of specs he can get away with a new pilot bearing. if the shaft its worn quite a bit there is a possibility of getting a over sized bearing or a new input shaft for the trans.


And I cant see how a thrashed pilot bearing would = needing a new tranny. Sounds a little hokey





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Originally posted by .636 .636 wrote:



Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Here's a thought, if it's a synchro going bad, would double-clutching eliminate the issue as it would give the gears a chance to synchronize without the need of the synchro itself?

Although, looking at tin-man's post, it may be the pilot bearing on the crankshaft. The symptoms fit the best with that one. Oh, and if the pilot bearing on the shaft goes, you wind up needing a whole new tranny. Happened on my subie back in the day. Mind you, the subie still ran and shifted.... weird I know...
Not necessarily, all depends on how the input shaft looks. if its not worn out of specs he can get away with a new pilot bearing. if the shaft its worn quite a bit there is a possibility of getting a over sized bearing or a new input shaft for the trans. And I cant see how a thrashed pilot bearing would = needing a new tranny. Sounds a little hokey


When my old car was built, some idiot packed the pilot bearing for the propeller (crank) shaft in grease rather than tranny fluid. It seized up and broke the shaft and stripped all of 3rd gear's teeth right off. They had to replace the whole tranny after that one. It was only 1k into the warranty as well, so it was free in my case.
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clutch and pressure plate either work or they don't work, I stand by my original assessment; synchros.  the only time I've seen clutches work sporadically is when they are hydraulic assist and the fluid is low.  
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I think this synchros deal sounds like the best bet, because after reading what synchros do, I realized that when muscling the shifter into place, it often will make the grinding "too fast to be in this gear" noise, even when idling. 
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