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    Posted: 08 June 2005 at 5:03pm

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-1528

summarized: http://www.famm.org/pdfs/Sensenbrenner%20Bill%202005%20Summa ry%20LATEST.pdf

even more summarized: http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action/wacmoreinfo.asp?it em=26179

This bad boy has made it through committee and is now up for debate.  It is long and dry, but it basically says that if you witness or know anyone doing drugs, you have 24 hours to report them or you get two years minimum.  It also has a sweet clause about having to assist in the investigation or else.

here's some of it:

      ``SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person
21 who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections
22 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 424, or 426 to fail to re-
23 port the offense to law enforcement officials within 24
24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and there-
25 after provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehen-


      HR 1528 IH
                                              13
1 sion, and prosecution of the person violating paragraph
2 (a).
3          ``(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this
4 section shall be sentenced to not less than two years or
5 more than 10 years. If the person who witnesses or learns
6 of the violation is the parent or guardian, or otherwise
7 responsible for the care or supervision of the person under
8 the age of 18 or the incompetent person, such person shall
9 be sentenced to not less than three years or more than
10 20 years.''.

The snitch clause:

   ``(F) the Government certifies that the de-
8           ; ;  fendant has entered a timely plea of guilty to
9           ; ;  the most serious readily provable offense and
10         & ;nbs p; has otherwise done everything possible to assist
11         & ;nbs p; substantially in the investigation and prosecu-
12         & ;nbs p; tion of another person as set forth in subsection
13         & ;nbs p; (e), but was unable to so assist because the de-
14         & ;nbs p; fendant did not have sufficient information, or
15         & ;nbs p; had information already known to, or not useful
16         & ;nbs p; to the Government, but a defendant who pro-
17         & ;nbs p; vided the Government or the court with false,
18         & ;nbs p; misleading, or incomplete information, other-
19         & ;nbs p; wise obstructed the administration of justice, or
20         & ;nbs p; delayed affirmative efforts to assist substan-
21         & ;nbs p; tially beyond a time when such efforts could
22         & ;nbs p; have reasonably been useful to the Government
23         & ;nbs p; shall not be sentenced under this subsection.



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This will not be passed. No one will stand for it.

K i see you take a bong hit. I go to the cops and say i saw you. They would either laugh at me, or say so what do you want us to do? What i see is politicians using children to to and get this passed. I think this is just a way the prosecuter can mount charges. You know how if you get pulled over for speeding, you can get wreckless driving, wreckless endagerment, failure to maintain control. And all that mess. But this is a stupid law. They are going after users. Not the supliers, kill the source, dont ruin peoples lives by giving them charges and jail time.

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Well that sucks a lot being as I'm friends with all the "pot-heads"...
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Yikes.
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good thing im not a crack head,and my friends arnt

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Originally posted by lester98c lester98c wrote:

good thing im not a crack head,and my friends arnt

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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

This will not be passed. No one will stand for it.

K i see you take a bong hit. I go to the cops and say i saw you. They would either laugh at me, or say so what do you want us to do? What i see is politicians using children to to and get this passed. I think this is just a way the prosecuter can mount charges. You know how if you get pulled over for speeding, you can get wreckless driving, wreckless endagerment, failure to maintain control. And all that mess. But this is a stupid law. They are going after users. Not the supliers, kill the source, dont ruin peoples lives by giving them charges and jail time.

Don't nonsensical laws get killed in committee? (I'm really not sure.)  This one has already passed that hurdle. 

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Well, how will they know if you dont tell them?
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Quote 21 U.S.C. § 859: Distribution to persons under 21 (amended by Sec. 2 (a) and (b)
“Protecting children from drug traffickers: distribution to persons under 21 years”)
• Adds attempt or conspiracy to prohibited conduct
• Establishes a mandatory minimum sentence of ten years for the first violation of the new
offense of distribution to a person under 18 by a person at least 21 years old, regardless of
any maximum term of imprisonment
Adds a new mandatory sentence of life in prison for a second conviction of distribution
to a person under 18 by a person at least 21 years old or for a first conviction after a prior
conviction for a felony drug offense has become final, regardless of any maximum term
of imprisonment.


WHAT THE FUZZYNUTZIPPER.


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Originally posted by Badsmitty Badsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

This will not be passed. No one will stand for it. K i see you take a bong hit. I go to the cops and say i saw you. They would either laugh at me, or say so what do you want us to do? What i see is politicians using children to to and get this passed. I think this is just a way the prosecuter can mount charges. You know how if you get pulled over for speeding, you can get wreckless driving, wreckless endagerment, failure to maintain control. And all that mess. But this is a stupid law. They are going after users. Not the supliers, kill the source, dont ruin peoples lives by giving them charges and jail time.


Don't nonsensical laws get killed in committee? (I'm really not sure.) This one has already passed that hurdle.



I do not believe so. A commitee is just a small group of people. The congress and senate will not vote this through.
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Luckily I live where I do. I do not do drugs but I do know people who do.
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I thought jails were already overcrowded, this is only going to help it along. Even though if we have the room, I don't find anything wrong with these laws.

And to DBib, it's everyone that involves themselves with drugs that contribute. Most people don't start off supplieing, so they have to start somewhere, and that's actually doing the drugs. Most tend to do both, supply and take the drugs. Also, jail time is not going to ruin these peoples lives, the drugs are ruining their lives.
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Originally posted by Dom Dom wrote:

I thought jails were already overcrowded, this is only going to help it along. Even though if we have the room, I don't find anything wrong with these laws.

And to DBib, it's everyone that involves themselves with drugs that contribute. Most people don't start off supplieing, so they have to start somewhere, and that's actually doing the drugs. Most tend to do both, supply and take the drugs. Also, jail time is not going to ruin these peoples lives, the drugs are ruining their lives.

It's called overkill and a concentration on a problem in which our government only has made worse, not better. Our law enforcement tactics have already failed, and now are laws are failing just as much.

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It's "old-boy's" government in all its failing glory. Trying to use ideas from the 30 years ago (when they failed the first time) and trying to apply them to the 21st century....

Kind of like a Secretary of Defense that hasn't change any of his ideas since he worked for President Ford... oops did I let that slip...
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Wow now I know I'm lazy.  The even more summarized one was too big for me. 
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If you really need to pinpoint a problem, it's in the lawmakers and the lack of officers in the DEA, border patrol, Customs+Immigration, and police. More guys on the beat, fewer things go down. Our representatives in Congress seem to pass a lot of stupid things-I'd swear some of them are just figureheads. Most of these guys absolutely do not think before casting a vote, and when they do think, it's about whether this means someone will vote for their little project.
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First they have to catch the guy doing the drugs, then they have to prove you saw him do it. I don't see how this will pass, but hey, more power to them if it does. I don't typically hang around potheads, so I don't care. You're right Pariel, they need more enforcement on drugs and more strict penalties-there's way too many high-schoolers smoking pot.

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^Yeah, let's make the death penalty mandatory for kids who smoke marijuana! Then we wouldn't have to deal with their dry mouths or tight red eyes ever again!

Seriously, I think you should be punished for not doing drugs, and put to death for ratting out your friends.

I think people need to be more concerned with finding happiness in their own live's than worrying about what harm a drug is doing to somebody else.

If you don't like it, don't do it! It just leaves more drugs for me to absorb.

Instead of passing all this legislation and propaganda, we need to simply cater to the demand!

I swear, only the government is stupid enough to NOT learn from their mistakes.

They should spend more of their time figuring out how to legaly rob us instead of worrying about how to put us all in jail.

*NEWSFLASH* Your Senator, Gov, and President don't give a crap about you! they just want your money, and that still doesn't mean they won't throw you in jail.
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