Snipering

jeep 98 custom wrote: A paintball gun can't shoot 200 FEET, much less 200 YARDS. Nice try, I can make things up too.

ACTUALLY...  With full arc, at 300 FPS, you CAN arc a paintball 300 feet or so.  Without a flatline.

-Tyger

WDR-Tyger wrote: ...ACTUALLY...  With full arc, at 300 FPS, you CAN arc a paintball 300 feet or so.  Without a flatline. -Tyger

Not accurately enough to land a one shot kill with any consistency. It's hard enough to get the shot on target and then you have to worry about it bouncing on top of that. Chances are you'll be wasting your time shooting like that. This reminds me of a funny story though. I built a practice field with my friends in a nearby patch of woods and just past the tree line was a baseball field where geese liked to walk around and "fertilize" the soil. Since there was nobody in sight and the geese routinely crap all over our field, we decided to have a little fun. They were at least 300 feet away from us so there was no way we could hit them normally. Since our field was at a lower elevation than the baseball field, there was a hillside right on the tree line. What we decided to do to test our skill as a team was to play artillery. One person held the gun at the bottom and guessed where the geese were, firing a shot in that direction. The other would be at the top of the hill and had to correct your aim judging by where the first shot landed. We actually hit a couple from quite a distance away like this, I wasn't expecting to hit anything. They weren't hurt at all, they were just a little freaked out.

Edited by mod98commando

yo i play at an abandond factory and im not new ive played for 5 years and i get on the roof and shoot people without gettin hit i dont really play woodsball n e more mostly Scenerio and i say there is sniping in paintball

More noobs and there sniping fanasty's. Jeeze, just think. In one year there gonna be thinking the same way we do about the ever annoying 'sniper' topics.

Yes but I've been around long enough to notice about 15 different sniping topics.... Very disturbing lol

yall dont get it (well most) i play on an island and it is very scary cause there are snipers all over the island and your constantly felling that every step that you take could be your last . now the island is made into a very good sniping place many places to hide and rack up like 10 kills in 4 games

I think we need to define 'sniper'.

Sniper, within the military, is generally considered to be a person who engages targets with single, effective point shots at long ranges. You can do this with most rifles- some guys in my unit can get headshots at 500yds with 5.56 assault rifles. Snipers within our establishment though mean those who are specifically trained to do this while operating independently. A sniper will often wait days in one spot for their target. Does this happen in paintball? No.

A seperate term we use though is 'sharpshooter'. A soldier who, with our standard issue rifles (A Diemaco C7, in case anyone's curious) can fire very accurately at decent range, and effectively engage targets with little ammunition expenditure. They will often emply 'ambush' style tactics to engage a target at mid or short range. Is THIS possible in paintball? absolutely. With my flatline I can find a spot in the woods along the enemy axis of advance, adn wait. Eventually, a couple of them will get within a hundred feet or so, and I can effectively engage them, generally elss than 10 shots at a hundred feet to take them both down, adn that's to make DAMN sure I get them- generally in this case each gets hit two or three times.

This tactic can often be confused with sniping, and I think that's what we're dealing with here. I tend to view speedball as a light machinegunners' game- firing out lots of ammunition in shorts bursts to suppress targets or catch them in the open. High rates of fire and massive ammunition expenditure for relatively little real kills, but a high degree of suppression. Woodsball, however, belongs to the riflemen- those who can effectively engage targets at mid range with accurate, limited fire. They can do this on the move, defensively or offensively, or wait in an ambush. It doesn't matter as long as it works.

Now tell me that you can't do THAT in paintball and rack in the kills.

No. A Sniper can use and generic or stock design that's suited to the task. Though you're right, a lot of snipers DO have tailor made rifles, it's not actually a requirement for the title... It's more the tactics that create the definition.

WDR-Tyger wrote: ... One of the other videos from earlier this year is talking about range and effective range.  http://www.webdogradio.us/video/tipclip/s2/  Show #3.  The first part of the show has a demo of a 250 foot shot, hitting a "bucket" target that's 6 inches across.  I couldn't give it full arc becasue of the ceiling.  The "spread" was only about a 7-10 foot circle, with most of the paint hitting within 5 feet of the intended target.  In fact, looking at the video again the guy who was my witness was STANDING five feet left of target, and he never got hit! In fact, 40 shots "aimed" produced 2 hits on/in the target.  5% is NOT that bad a percentage for a paintball.  The ultimate test was that we had to do a re-take, because I screwed up the shot to begin with.  And within 20 shots or so, I did the take you see on the video.  So it IS repeatable.  To bring this into "real world" statistics, from more than 200 feet away, assuming no top cover, you can shoot that far without your opponent knowing it.  A paintgun shot at distance has a more muffled sound, and if they're shooting at the same time you could fire off a CANNON and they'd never know it...

In a real game though, that kind of accuracy is terrible when going against a player with half a brain. If a shot lands anywhere near you with enough velocity to break, you move to cover yourself better right? Against a stationary target, that 5% chance is bad but you can still manage a hit eventually. When you have that kind of accuracy on a moving target, let alone an intelligent moving target, you won't hit them unless they really have no idea that shots are landing all around them. If it takes 20 shots to land a hit, I'd say the chances of them noticing at least one of those misses are high enough that you won't ever be able to hit them without wasting tremendous amounts of paint. While it is possible to land a shot like that, you'd be much better off moving in undetected for a closer shot. For you to land a shot on them from that distance they'd have to have no idea you were there and if that's the case, why not move in closer? They wouldn't see you and you'd increase your chances of a hit that way. Long balling should only be a last resort kind of thing or just used as a diversion.

Anybody who aspires to be a "sniper" should use stealth to get as close as possible so they can take out the target in as few shots as possible before they try to long ball the target. They'd be much more effective that way. I play like that myself though I don't call myself a sniper and I have tried the long range stuff too so I know from experience that you can be more effective by sneaking up close and popping people with just one or two shots. I use some sniper tactics and some from other places as well. Some may call me a sniper because I sneak up on the enemy and usually only take a few shots to eliminate my target which makes me hard to find but I don't consider myself one. In some ways I am a sniper and in others I'm not, I just don't waste time trying to categorize myself. I do what works no matter who normally uses it and that usually works out pretty well for me.

Edited by mod98commando

ok i agree there isnt sniping in paintball i get it now but i consider myself a marksman or sharpshooter i have a Tippmann A-5 w/ 14" J&J Ceramic barrel ,3 position stock, and intruder foregrip as my sharpshooter up,s and for close range if i have to i have the response trigger so my gun i consider a sharpshooter gun