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FalloutMan
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tyger is definantly right with the moving thing, even when im stuck in house type area, i move all over it and in and out shooting from as many areas as possible, and stopped a group of about 15 people from taking me out and some other people that were following me for no particular reason (of course when they saw people coming they ran...) where as most people would just try to shoot everyone from one window, and a "sniper" would just try to hide behind a pile of leaves and lay there
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BassMan
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Ok correct me if I'm wrong (and Im damn sure I'm right) The word 'sniper' was used a LONG time ago because there were these birds called 'snipes' and with a musket(very inaccurate) it was a difficult task to hit one of those buggers. So that brings me to a weird point of the word 'sniper'. Old Day Sniper: One Who Is Very Accurate (now and days they called them a 'good shot' or a 'sharpshooter' Modern Day Sniper: One who is shooting with superior camo and distance than the enemy. Mainly used for recon.
People saying that " I live on an island and every step you could ge shot by snipers"... Well.... Anyone in a pink shirt that says 'Here I Am Shoot Me' can lay down in thick brush then pop up when they hear something and start spraying.... Now... Is that a sniper?????????????????????????? Seriously. NO. Ok another thing that bugs me... I hate it with a passion when people "When I'm Snipering"... SNIPERING.... say it to yourself slowly and listen how retarded you sound.. The correct term is Sniping. K I think I'm done here. Main point is - No snipers in paintball - Get a life - Just Play |
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omg...i gonna solve this...directly from dictionary.com ... snip·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snpr) One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
that's wat every1 does in paintball...so in a sense...were all snipers...just not military like snipers |
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BassMan
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I kinda agree. But I still like the term 'Paintball Player' Instead of sniper
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roadrunner0535
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wat about concealed shooter or something...our new mission:create a new name for the word sniper that fits piantball needs
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WDR-Tyger
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"Sharpshooter" works. I call it "plinking", becasue when I do long range shooting it reminds me of target shooting. For the most part, all long range shooting for me is done from concealment / camouflaged / extreme range position, so it's no different than being on the target range and picking my shots. So, I plink. -Tyger Edited by WDR-Tyger |
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Yeah, "that" Tyger.
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roadrunner0535
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i splooge
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BassMan
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Army against a-5's????? WhAt? lol
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One more time.
You have to define the environment, what seperates the skill/title/role, AND whether or not it can be effectively applied to the enviroment. First some basics need to be established. The game is paintball and for the purposes of this class it is played in the woods where the terrain dictates that you’ll be engaging each other most of the time at between 20 and 25 meters. (In other words close range) It is played most often by 2 opposing sides of roughly equal size. For all intent and purposes this game is modeled on military small unit combat. Now several you are going "whoo hoo, my kind of sniper country"…without knowing what makes a sniper. Many of you have gone to the dictionary and found a reference saying something to the effect that a sniper is someone who fires from concealment and have used this a your basis for your claim to being one in paintball. That's all well and dandy, except you ignore the rest of the definition. snip·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sn p r)n. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth EditionCopyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Now you’ll note that this expanded definition is still quite general in it scope, after all anyone who squats behind bush to fire is a sniper which is not the case. So, since the dictionary has not resolved this we must consult the experts for a better definition of what makes a sniper in our chosen environment. It happens that I’ve had the opportunity to do just that from time to time in my 22 years in the Army. In summary here are the extreme basics of what is an effective sniper: · A superior marksman · Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment · The ability to approach the target without being detected · Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire · The ability to engage the target without revealing your position · The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged The first three of these points are possible in the game of paintball, but do not make you a sniper, they just take some training and practice. Let’s look at them one at a time. A superior marksman Basically someone who’s shooting skills are well above that of the average player. No big problem here, skill levels very, some people are just plain better than others. Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment This one is a little tougher. It takes knowledge of what will fool the eye into not seeing what is really there. It’s still doable though. Trained military have an advantage over the someone whose camouflage skills are solely based on hunting. Not because the non-military hunter is any less skilled but because of who the camouflage is intended to fool. But once armed with the knowledge of what the differences are this isn’t even a problem. So, yes this can be effectively applied to paintball. The ability to approach the target without being detected This one is a bigger problem. If just taken as being able to move close enough to a player that is already in place to make your shot undetected is very difficult. Since instinctively humans are hunters, our attention is automatically drawn to movement or things that are out of place. It’s takes someone that is extremely skilled in moving undected to pull this one off. But I have seen it done. I should add to this the ability to setup a position that provides an undetected position from which to shoot that covers an area you expect your opponent to move through. A basic ambush. Both require an undetected shooting position and can be effectively applied to paintball depending on skill level The last three points are where the concept of a sniper in paintball fails. Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire No matter what you do, as long as everyone has the same approximate muzzle velocity, everyone has about the same effective range. Yes, that means Flatlines too. While Flatlines do have the ability, do to an aerodynamic backspin, shoot farther than other barrel systems the paintball still loses velocity at the same rate. What this means is that a paintball from a flatline loses the energy to break its shell at the same rate as one fired from a conventional barrel. The advantage of the flatline is initial flat trajectory that paintball has, which allows someone to fire under foliage that would otherwise break the ball. (The first failed point in being an effective sniper) The ability to engage the target without revealing your position Since the effective range is around 20-25m means that when you fire you have effectively revealed your general position. What I mean is this. Your shooting from such a close range that either the pop of your ball leaving the barrel or the sound of your bolt cycling (or both) will give your general position away to anyone with average hearing as far away as 40m. Unless you are only engaging 1 or 2 people or are extremely lucking you yourself can now be effectively counted as a mission kill. (The second failed point in being an effective sniper) The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged What this means is the ability move to a new shooting position after having engaged a target without being detected and counter-engaged your self. Since it’s been demonstrated that you can’t effectively engage a target without revealing your initial shooting position and exposing yourself to effective counter fire this one automatically fails. (The third failed point in being an effective sniper) Now just because you can’t effectively apply all of the above tactics of what makes an effective sniper doesn’t mean that the first 3 listed can’t be applied to paintball. Do they make you a sniper? No. But they do give you the ability to setup an effective close ambush. Just a word of advice here, bring along several friends and you might even be effective at it. |
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someone got their @$$ handed to them...lol |
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mod98commando
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Also, please, stop posting the definition of sniper/sniping. It's been posted a thousand times before and it's too vague to prove anything. By the military definition of sniping, paintball snipers only fulfull half of the requirements if they're good. I think the reason why there is so much conflict over this is because there are just as many reasons for paintball snipers to exist as there are for them not to. Because of that, people make their decision and they stick to it which leads to what we're reading here. If you ask me, there are sniper-like players but you can't be exactly like a military sniper in paintball, it just isn't possible yet. What do exist are players that use sniper tactics in their game but that in itself isn't enough to classify them as snipers. Since these players tend to mimic snipers, people call them that since it's a familiar term. The problem is that you get ex-military players and others who like to analyze everything who are bothered by the fact that they don't meet all the criteria and they argue that the name doesn't work. I don't see what the big deal is really. I may call a player a sniper because nobody knows where they are and they're shooting people out in one or two shots but I'm well aware that I'm not up against Carlos Hathcock. It's just a quick way of describing a threat to people since the word gives the idea of a person shooting others from an unknown location. If you want to get technical, the player is not a sniper but, at the time, it gets the point across quickly and that's what matters. |
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WDR-Tyger
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Well ok then, Mod98 makes a good point here. He said "If you ask me, there are sniper-like players but you can't be exactly like a military sniper in paintball, it just isn't possible yet. What do exist are players that use sniper tactics in their game but that in itself isn't enough to classify them as snipers." Ok then, let's ask THIS question. What would it take to make a true "sniper" in paintball? We all agree that range is a component, but at 300 FPS how do you get more range? Simple, heavier ball. Simple physics. Momentum = mass * velocity. Simply put, if velocity is a constant, and the mass gets larger, you gain momentum. Meaning you gain range. I know that Inferno was a "heavy" ball for a while. Anyone know of a "heavy" ball today? Ok, so what else would be needed to "fill" the requrements? Just a thought expirement. -Tyger |
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Yeah, "that" Tyger.
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Blue Hopper
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I wanted to be a sniper at first but then i relized the price of good sights, camo, and gettin the flatline. At that point i decided to be lik another friend and run around the field like a madman. It saves me money for that stuff and for paint seeing as your close up. By the way ever since your back your on the forums a lot more aren't you Tyger. Oh yeah I also would like to apoligize for previous pro-sniper posts after lookinng very "feminine" by ataying in the back I relized it sucks and snipers are very....."feminine"
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im gonna get a new gun this november after my b-day and im thinking
about gettin a a-5 or a 98 sniper im good with both cause i have a
friend who has both of em and we share alot but i want my own but cant
make up my mind any tips or good facts about eather gun i should know
would help me thanks.
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Either works brilliantly. The A5 flatline is easier to install; the 98 is a cheaper marker to begin with. Either system will perform about the same unless you need to get into really high rates of fire. Couple a flatline with a stock and remote line, and you're all set. www.pbreview.com has great reviews on both. |
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not to sound all stupid and crap but i hardly understood a thing you
said i mean i had a idea but whats the remote line and and when you say
couple it you mean do it to the a-5 or what ?
iv only been paintballing for about 6 months about 3 times a month so dont hate me if i ask dumb questions. |
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mod98commando
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I think Crewchief would be the best person to ask on this one since he has the military knowledge. My guess is that it's not possible to have a true paintball sniper because for the ranges to be the same as the military snipers, the paint would have to fly really far which means super high velocity (we're talking thousands of fps) and that is incredibly dangerous. With real guns that's acceptable because the goal is to kill the target but I think most paintball players would like to see their enemy live through the game, especially their friends. I guess it's possible to extend the range of some guns a little so snipers could at least fire from outside the range of return fire from the target. It's not an easy thing to do when safety is important. |
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SHH!!! Everybody, keep your pants on! Every time I see a Sniper debate, i will kill it with this... Enjoy, childish Snipers http://www.webdogradio.us/video/tipclip/s2/p7.html Click on Mythbusting: Paintball snipers |
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