Kerry Or Bush??

Well, they're also the group that insists that you can be forgiven for your sins without Jesus (it's possible to be a perfect Catholic and totally ignore Jesus).

All this by a man that they call Father .........better stop there or I'll be RC bashing too

AdmiralSenn wrote:   As I read the passage, Onan's sin was not in refusing to have a child, but in failing to fulfill his duty to have children for his brother-in-law (that's part of the old Jewish law).

That is the interpretation favored by many American protestant groups, but the (very old) RC church has always head that it prohibits masturbation and contraceptives.

Clark Kent wrote: It goes back to Onan. Spilling his seed upon the ground, etc.

Thank you. That's what I was referring to. As I read the passage, Onan's sin was not in refusing to have a child, but in failing to fulfill his duty to have children for his brother-in-law (that's part of the old Jewish law).

Of course, I'm not God. But the NLT says that "the LORD considered it a wicked thing for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother" (Genesis 38:10).That's the only one that clarifies to that extent, and it may be wrong. I don't know.

I do know that the Bible doesn't specifically state that masturbation is sin, and it also doesn't state that sex without the purpose of procreation is wrong (at least to my knowledge).

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Clark Kent wrote: Simple. Every sperm is sacred. Masturbation is a sin because it is not procreative. Therefore, all non-procreative sex is a sin. Therefore, having sex with a condom is a sin. Been standard RC doctrine for decades/centuries.

Just because the Catholic Church says it's so doesn't make it so.

Masturbation in and of itself isn't mentioned as a sin in the Bible, but it's usually looked down on because it encourages the already hotly debated lu**edited**l thoughts.

I've never heard any part of the Bible that says every sperm is sacred. Non-procreative sex is specifically looked down on in one case (can't remember where, somebody in the Old Testament who was told to have a child and deliberately... well... missed).

Simple.  Every sperm is sacred.  Masturbation is a sin because it is not procreative.  Therefore, all non-procreative sex is a sin.  Therefore, having sex with a condom is a sin.

Been standard RC doctrine for decades/centuries.

Hades wrote: ScarFace22 wrote: If you were in college you probably wouldn't last a month before you failed out. I for the most part have the exact same values and moral convictions as Enos and I have been in more semsters of college then you have teeth in your mouth. /me hands ball to you to for you to drop.

Exactly. Anyways, I think Enos would do very well at college, especially in a liberal one like I attended. I also enjoy great personal freedom without having organized religion tell me that I can't use contraception and that I have to comdem homosexuals, and that I can't eat fish on Fridays.

gg Clark Kent...

Didnt I make a suggestion a while back bout changing the topic heading on this thread and now you clowns are talkin bout religion....man this thread is gettin worse each day

ScarFace22 wrote: If you were in college you probably wouldn't last a month before you failed out.

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You are FUBAR.


I Dont know what Christian Sect you come from.... But I recall a rule, Do on to other as you would want them to do onto you, and I also recall god dis-likes hypocrites the most.

I slap you with the word.


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ScarFace22 wrote: Really I haven't seenm him actually fully write out his morals and from what I've seen he still has yet to deny abortion is morally wrong and he favors the use of condoms. That seems pretty immoral if you ask me. Please all of you just go back into your little hole.

Ok, here are some of my moral positions:  I am in favor of the freedom of speech (radically so), I favor lots of contraception and the occasional unfortunate abortion.  Most of all, I favor an open mind.

Those are some of my positions.

Now, as I said before, they may differ from your moral positions, but that does not mean that I have no moral positions.  Different <> Zero.  To think otherwise is exceedingly narrowminded, and, in my mind, makes you no different from the people we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.

Simply dismissing points of view that you do not agree with is narrowminded and foolish.