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If you are going to cut and paste political rhetoric, at least tell us where you are getting it...

EDIT - too slow.  For FlayedOne.



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Originally posted by Glassjaw Glassjaw wrote:

Gun owners wish to ban shows of something they like..?  Umm now is it just me or does that sound extremely odd.  I personally hunt and own a hunting rifle, i greatly enjoy gunshows, it brings many people together to intermingle in one of their hobbies.  How is that wrong?

Not odd at all.  I know plenty of people, personally, who enjoy both guns and gunshows (I am a regular attendee myself), who nevertheless acknowledge that gunshows, at least in their present form, present a massive loophole in gun laws.

Most gunshows I have been to provided for very easy acquisition of firearms in a fashion that would be very illegal elsewhere.

Therefore, as much as I like guns and gunshows, I (and others) believe that it is for the best the we shut them down, at least until we find to way to keep them under control.
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Originally posted by Multi-Colored J Multi-Colored J wrote:

Originally posted by C.G.O. C.G.O. wrote:

Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:


Originally posted by Mehs Mehs wrote:


Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

Kerry. If bush gets reelected hell get us all nuked or something. Frigging maniac.


More like if Kerry wins.


How do you figure that. Bush is the psycho going to war with half the known world, blowing up countries for no reason.


Enos, you need to quit watching TV and smell the roses.

Bush is not a psycho, Saddam was, and where do get the idea that Bush attacked Iraq for no reason? I would like to know a war that America has fought or started for no reason(besides vietnam). Please explain and don't quote all that media junk. Also, when has Bush dropped a bomb over his own people for a weapons test? Bush is not a child killing, psycho, Saddam and Osama are, PEROID!

Besides, I thought us Americans already knew the media lies or gets lied to, so panic or whatever won't rise among the public during dangerous times. And...what do I mean by that... Right now, this war on Terror might look like a big blood thirst, but this war is way too underground to told yet. Who knows, maybe Saddam had missiles or nuke suit-cases planted or aimed at America? And if so, would you want everybody to know that World War III is in the hands of a terrorist? No way, it would cause huge international panic and economical crash!

I don’t want to start a fight with a Mod here, but you just popped your mouth off with nothing to back it up with. CGO out….

*EDIT* WOW! You said "frigging" maniac. What word does that mean...fruitcake with caps?? Sorry, are you a hypocrite or does this mean something else?


C.G.O., You need to stop watching fox and smell the non-conservative-rhetoric. You can't prove that Sadaam had any weapons just by saying what if.

In response to the first paragraph:
Though it was wrong for Sadaam to kill his own people, it still doesn't give us the right to play police to the world. If it was me, I would have let Sadaam live since he posed less of a threat to America that Afghanistan and North Korea. And when you end the first paragraph with the word "period", you should not type an exclimation point.

In response to the second paragraph:
Maybe Mexico has bombs pointed at us. Oh well, we should just go kill them so we're the only ones left and the world will be a utopia.

Same logic that you're using.

Sorry to serve your ass on a platter, you just need to stop picking fights with no basis to your argument.


In response to first sentence: Wow, another ticked idiot, I don’t even watch TV.

In response to second sentence: When did I say I had “proof”? And your right, I said “if”, so quit throwing words in my mouth.

In response to first paragraph: When did I say that Saddam’s killing gave Bush the right to police the world? How do you know that Saddaam was less threat? Who do you think you are, a secret agent? About the period. What kind of insult to you call this? Infantile.

In response to Second paragraph: I said “if” and I wasn’t trying to use a stupid logic. Put yourself in Bush’s shoes. You got billions of lives in your responsibility and there’s a whole another world that hates your guts. Also, the nations greatest tragedy is being push on you as ‘your fault”. What would you do?. It’s obvious, Bush is trying to stop any possible 9-11 again. Now, I don’t think he the best man on earth and I don’t like what he‘s done with our tax money, but I do respect him for trying to protect us. And oh yeah, Mexico already attacked America with crime infected teens and illiterate men and women years ago. So they don’t need missiles.

In response to last sentence: Whoa, your using language to tell me something. I got it, you’re an idiot. I’ve gotten strike for less. And I can’t believe I am seeing Enos use language after he just strike me three days ago for saying “fruitcake” with caps to spell the F-word.

The point of my reply was that Bush isn’t a psycho and people need to get off his back. Also, as the American public, we’re not getting the true story from both parties about this war on Terror. It’s too underground. CGO out ….

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Originally posted by AdmiralSenn AdmiralSenn wrote:

I know it is.. but all the choices we could have made boil down to one of those four.

I don't see how the analysis fails. Find me one thing we could have done that does not fit into one of those four   options.

Several:  Continued inspections, increased/changed sanctions, different coalition, rebel encouragement, bribery, changing our Israel policy, changing our Saudi policy, changing our Iran policy, going in harder, going in softer, more propaganda, nuke/firebomb Baghdad, etc., etc.  There are an infinite number of possibilities

Also several different results possible for each of your options and the ones I described.  The cause/effect relationship just isn't that simple.
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Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:


Originally posted by C.G.O. C.G.O. wrote:

Enos, you need to quit watching TV and smell the roses.
Bush is not a psycho, Saddam was, and where do get the idea
that Bush attacked Iraq for no reason? I would like to know a war that
America has fought or started for no reason(besides vietnam). Please
explain and don't quote all that media junk. Also, when has Bush
dropped a bomb over his own people for a weapons test? Bush is not a
child killing, psycho, Saddam and Osama are, PEROID!

Besides, I thought us Americans already knew the media lies or gets
lied to, so panic or whatever won't rise among the public during
dangerous times. And...what do I mean by that... Right now, this war on
Terror might look like a big blood thirst, but this war is way too
underground to told yet. Who knows, maybe Saddam had missiles or nuke
suit-cases planted or aimed at America? And if so, would you want
everybody to know that World War III is in the hands of a terrorist? No
way, it would cause huge international panic and economical crash!

I don’t want to start a fight with a Mod here, but you just popped your mouth off with nothing to back it up with. CGO out….

*EDIT* WOW! You said "frigging" maniac. What word does that
mean...fruitcake with caps?? Sorry, are you a hypocrite or does this
mean something else?


What the hell are you talking about? Did you forget some necessary medication?? (referring to that *edit* line)

Since when did iraq have a damned thing to do with the war on terror?
Why is it that you pro-war lunatics always take opposing the pointless
war in iraq as being "against the war on terror"?

Osama blew up our buildings, fine, find him and get rid of him. That
much i support. I didnt have a problem with bush until he went to iraq,
as i see it, obviously to divert attention away from our complete and
utter failure to catch bin laden. Now that the truth is out, and
everyone knows the entire "justification" for going to iraq was smoke
and mirrors, i would expect more people to see reason.

If anyone needs to remove their head from their nether regions, its
you. Since when is it americas job to bring freedom to other countries?
Thats bunk. If they wanted freedom that bad, they would fight for it.
Hell, we did. Referring to how much better off iraq is now is an
after-the-fact ass-covering. I dont dispute that iraq is better off
without saddam, but that does NOT excuse busting into some other
country, blowing up the current government, and then pratting about
saying how much better weve made the world. That is flat out not our
right to do.

All weve managed to do in iraq is piss off half the known world, and
get the terrorists even madder at us. As soon as we leave, there will
just be another dictator. Those people just flat out dont care enough
to want freedom. Sucks for them, but thats their problem.

If i was president:

Offer government grants to jumpstarting hydrogen and other alternative fuel technology
Tell the entire middle east to go to hell because we wouldnt need them anymore
Flat out walk away from the rest of the world. Screw em, let someone else be the jackass police of the world for a change.

China is going to take over everything eventually anyway.


Sorry Enos, but your using so much language I can't understand you . You name call me a lunatic and you just strike me for saying "fruitcake" with caps to spell the F-word three days ago. Now here you are saying, hell, jackass, ass, sucks, piss, damned and what else? You're a hypocrite that needs to be pushed down to a gold member. If you're going throw rules into my face, how about obeying them yourself.

I hate saying this, but I think you've lost your honor of being a Mod, Enos. CGO out….
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Originally posted by C.G.O. C.G.O. wrote:



In response to first sentence: Wow, another ticked idiot, I don’t even watch TV.

In response to second sentence: When did I say I had “proof”? And your right, I said “if”, so quit throwing words in my mouth.

In response to first paragraph: When did I say that Saddam’s killing gave Bush the right to police the world? How do you know that Saddaam was less threat? Who do you think you are, a secret agent? About the period. What kind of insult to you call this? Infantile.

In response to Second paragraph: I said “if” and I wasn’t trying to use a stupid logic. Put yourself in Bush’s shoes. You got billions of lives in your responsibility and there’s a whole another world that hates your guts. Also, the nations greatest tragedy is being push on you as ‘your fault”. What would you do?. It’s obvious, Bush is trying to stop any possible 9-11 again. Now, I don’t think he the best man on earth and I don’t like what he‘s done with our tax money, but I do respect him for trying to protect us. And oh yeah, Mexico already attacked America with crime infected teens and illiterate men and women years ago. So they don’t need missiles.

In response to last sentence: Whoa, your using language to tell me something. I got it, you’re an idiot. I’ve gotten strike for less. And I can’t believe I am seeing Enos use language after he just strike me three days ago for saying “fruitcake” with caps to spell the F-word.

The point of my reply was that Bush isn’t a psycho and people need to get off his back. Also, as the American public, we’re not getting the true story from both parties about this war on Terror. It’s too underground. CGO out ….



Ticked idiot? Hmm. I am neither, so you're wrong once again.

You never said you had proof and that completely justifies why Bush should be going and taking Sadaam out. Yes, that makes complete sense.

I know you weren't trying to use stupid logic, but you did. Get over it.

In Bush's shoes: People hate me because I made stupid decisions, going against the U.N. and going to Iraq to take out someone that wasn't posing an immediate threat.

You say that bush is trying to prevent any 9-11. News flash: Iraq did not cause 9-11, Bin Laden and his forces in Afghanistan did. I'm pretty sure that 9-11 wasn't Bush's fault, because Osama clearly planned and got his operatives to do it, but President Bush, before 9-11, did reduce funding for airport security. I could see how he kind of let them get by easier.

Mexico comment of yours: It was completely uncalled for and rude. I was using my Mexico comment to prove your logic was not well thought out. Insulting the immigrants from Mexico was just wrong, and an apology is called for.

Using language to tell you something. Wow, that's a revolutionary idea. I should have pointed and grunted, but then again if we did that we wouldn't have keyboards or computers.

Oh, you mean the foul language? Well, see, I used it in context. Ass meant your argument. But I see, trained apes don't understand English too well.

Nice Ryan Seacrest ending there.
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Here we go again, putting words in my mouth...*yawn*. When did I say Sadaam had connections to 9-11?

Oh, and about Mexicans? I use live in a city full of them. They got thrown in prison for taking weapons to school and threatening the teachers and other students. Now, I have Mexican friends and I like them allot, so I have no need to apologize.

Hey, if I happen to be black and you just called me an trained ape, would you like to apologize? Thanks in advance!
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WOW....

I think little Enos is getting too big for his panties. All this Mod crap is getting to his head. C.G.O. has a good point there about Enos and his language. Yesterday I was in a rather hot debate with some indeviduals on here, and we were grown up enough to keep our language civalized for a public forum with younger kids reading the materials. Enos's blatant disregard for the rules of the forum that he's supposed to up keep, makes his posts worthless and petty. Whatever points he might have had are shadowed by his quick temper and childish flame fits.
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Multi colored......Dude, if Bin Laden's forces were getting shelter and supplies from Iraq, that right there alone justifies taking them as well. Anyone who helps the terrorists is guilty too. It's the price they pay.

There are people in America right now raising funds for terrorists. Those people need to be arrested and detained indefinantly.

And calling him a "trained ape" was retarded. way to go there...

And Ryan Seacrest is **edited**. So acting like him gives you less merrit then you had before. 
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This thread = another one of those huge debate things that solves nothing and gets someone guested.  This is an internet forum.  You won't change anyone's minds...
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Originally posted by C.G.O. C.G.O. wrote:

Here we go again, putting words in my mouth...*yawn*. When did I say Sadaam had connections to 9-11?

Oh, and about Mexicans? I use live in a city full of them. They got thrown in prison for taking weapons to school and threatening the teachers and other students. Now, I have Mexican friends and I like them allot, so I have no need to apologize.

Hey, if I happen to be black and you just called me an trained ape, would you like to apologize? Thanks in advance!


You didn't say Sadaam had any connections to 9-11, then what is your argument? What gives Bush the right to go in there?

You still should apologize for the Mexican people statement. I really don't care if you have mexican friends.

And I didn't mean the trained ape as a racial insult, you just had to bring it to that level. Okay, let me spell out for you what I meant: You are a moron who has no basis/point for his/her arguments so please stop typing you inbred brainwashed tool.

Have fun at your next klan meeting.
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Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

This thread = another one of those huge debate things that solves nothing and gets someone guested.  This is an internet forum.  You won't change anyone's minds...


We can only hope.
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Originally posted by BigGun BigGun wrote:

Multi colored......Dude, if Bin Laden's forces were getting shelter and supplies from Iraq, that right there alone justifies taking them as well. Anyone who helps the terrorists is guilty too. It's the price they pay.


There are people in America right now raising funds for terrorists. Those people need to be arrested and detained indefinantly.


And calling him a "trained ape" was retarded. way to go there...


And Ryan Seacrest is **edited**. So acting like him gives you less merrit then you had before.



Bin Laden's forces were getting shelter and supplies from America before 9-11. They were also getting flight lessons. We should hurt the people that rented rooms out to these terrorists and the people that gave them flying lessons, right? That's giving help to terrorists.

People raising funds for the terrorists, like who? People using and selling drugs? Well, then the schools would be a lot less crowded.

You were right about the trained ape statement. He (or you for that matter) have nowhere near the intelligence as a trained ape.

Ryan Seacrest is what? I have no idea what that word is, so please, put it in less offensive terms.
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Originally posted by Frozen Balls Frozen Balls wrote:

Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

This thread = another one of those huge debate things that solves nothing and gets someone guested.  This is an internet forum.  You won't change anyone's minds...


We can only hope.

Who do you want guested.  Even if you strongly disagree with someones political views (like me and Prod), you can still get along with them...
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What C.G.O. said about the mexican influx of welfare dependant people from mexico is true. It just costs us all more in tax money every year.

Fact: Some Mexican's who come here are good workers, they pay their taxes, and they're a plus to society.

Fact: The magority of the mexicans who come here, cause our taxes to go up, our crime rates to go up, and our national birth rates to sky rocket.
And why are you calling C.G.O. an inbred brainwashed tool?......just go look at your mexican comunities that you love to protect.

Gees man, shut your errogent ignorant mouth.

And Ryan Seacrest is G A Y. That means that he engages in 'love' relationships with other men. This means he's a pervert. Thus, you acting like him, eliminates any merrit you might have had.



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 Clark and M-C. You are idiots. The UN are a bunch of punes anyway, just like France. And Kerry is against way more gun control than Bush, and very little of it has much of a point.  I'm gonna get a bumper sticker that says "Ted Kennedy's Car Has Killed More People Than My Gun". In fact, my immidiate (sp) family owns about 50 or so guns, and none of them has ever shot or killed anyone (unless you count the paintball guns).

 BTW: Don't feel bad C.G.O. I got 2 strikes for saying a word for trashy black people that they call themselves every day.  If a white person says it though, you're part of the klan!
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Brainwashed? Who are you talking to?

I like that buzz word. How about quit trying to tick me off, because you're making me laugh my guts out. LOL!

Moron? Hey, I've only called you an idiot once, but you've called me a trained ape and so on. The moron is you, pal. Also, I am enjoying this Mr. Intelligent play-acting that you're pulling too.

OK, I can't argue in your infantile style, so how about laying off and being "mature".

ROFLOL! I love you, I could just kiss ya .

I’m leaving before someone gets nailed. So, I apologize for carrying on the infantile fight. I know better.

C’ya, pumpkin pie!
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Originally posted by hashi2008 hashi2008 wrote:

 Clark and M-C. You are idiots. The UN are a bunch of punes anyway, just like France. And Kerry is against way more gun control than Bush, and very little of it has much of a point.  I'm gonna get a bumper sticker that says "Ted Kennedy's Car Has Killed More People Than My Gun". In fact, my immidiate (sp) family owns about 50 or so guns, and none of them has ever shot or killed anyone (unless you count the paintball guns).

 BTW: Don't feel bad C.G.O. I got 2 strikes for saying a word for trashy black people that they call themselves every day.  If a white person says it though, you're part of the klan!

LOL. I want one of those stickers too!

And what you said about black people and what they call each other is so true. They're hypocrits, lazy hypocrits. Have any of you ever heard that speach done by Bill Crosby to the black community? He nailed them. Ang good for him, he's right. For the most part, the black community is full of crap.

We have black boys trying to be mexican, and mexican boys trying to be black, and white boys trying to be everything so they fit in, trying not to get shot. It's stupid. And then, we have EminEm who's blacker then any of them, making fun of a black man who wants to be a white woman! STOP THE MADDNESS!

Just because you think most minorities need to get up off their lazy rear ends and do something usefull, doesn't mean you're KLAN!     OMG!



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LOL!    pumpkin pie...........of dear lord that's funny......
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Wow hey people... We are all paintball players remember?

The election is almost over, let the voters speak and then accept what happens. K.


I am really going to be happy once your election is over.
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