hand guns

Vassili the accuracy of the spyder clone pistols maybe questionable. Though a pistol like my Squall which is a Typhoon but with a 12 gram quick change built into the gun is every bit as efffective. It has a the same range and better accuracy than my cocker, just like a standard Typhoon does. There are other pistols out there that are like that also, like the Pug and PGP. Don't believe me email Glenn Palmer or Craig Palmer yourself they will and can back that up. Or go to the POG forum and and ask any Squall owner there. I also have a Delta .68 and you are correct it's range and velocity are are and questionable. That is why I have a Squall, because it is a modified and shortened version of the Typhoon. I have no problem playing stock class style against other players sporting tippmanns, cockers, spyders, or electros. Especially when my buddy and I play together and he is using his stock class phantom. Because our gear is so light we can move swiftly, stealthily, and easily. This allows us to out manuever and out flank our opponents. It is very effective. If you are ever in MI near Detroit let us know and we can show you how to play stock class style. You will learn a lot.    

I'm getting either a Delta .68 for Christmas, or, if not, I'll buy the new Ariakon pistol. I've played in maps where a pistol would be much more convenient than a flatlined, stocked 98. I can fight with a weapon that size in any terrain in a pinch, but my local field, for instance, has a maze with 8 foot walls where something as small and versatile as a pistol is a big benefit... Plus there's a lot of intimidation value in carrying a sidearm. ;)

ok here it is.. u shoudl spend ur money on upgrading ur tippmann.. pistols are practically useless when going against players with autocokers or intimidators or even tippmanns.. i have 2 freinds that both bought the delt .68 , after one year of play with it.. my one friends delta .68 had broken a seal or somthing inside the pistol.. he however has an excuse for getting a pistol ( he owns a phantom and needs the pistol for close combat). my other frinds pistol isnt doing to well either. aire leaks, balls break.. and he doesnt use it much because hes got an electric gun.. on the other hand the delta .68s look super cool especially when the paintball clip is taken off (looks almost like a desert eagle.. the right size as one too ) but it just isnt worth it.. best to take the 150 or 200 dollars and put it on ur 98.. much more worth it.. im glad i didnt buy a pistol. well hope that tells u alittle bit

Juno Trevan wrote: Ya'll are too harsh on these guns. You have to understand that while many things are not good for tournament play, there is a much wider world of paintball out there. Think scenarios for example. There are many many people who enjoy having these guns just to have them, and many many people actually use them in the field too. There is a crowd that appreciates some older designs.

ther not guns ther markers

Well you can actually fit 1 into the breach plus 11 in the clip if you want without probs. If you don't want to run 12 grms all the time you can have PPS mount a bottomline or a rear bottle adapter and you can use a 3.5 oz tank. Which gets you about 300 shots maybe a few more.

It holds 10balls, so you get to shoot 2 loads per co2 cartridge, I usually use it as a backup, but have played with it as main, you have to make every shot count, it is great to see peoples faces when you mark them in one shot!!

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I love my Zeus G1, it is very acurate, will get 20+ shots per 15gr co2.

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I will have to disagree with you, if you haven't actually played with a pistol then you have no room to make a judgement on pistol play. I effectively use my Squall as my main gun all the time and have a blast. It is like using a stock class pump in a way, due to the fact of using 10rnds and 12grms, except with a semi. It is especailly effective if you have a good pistol like the Squall, the Pug, or a PGP.

I love my Palmer Squall!! It has been the best marker I have ever purchased. It is a pistol size version of the Typhoon. Here is a pic of my Squall



It is expensive, $640, but has the same range as my cocker, with better accuracy. Like the Typhoon and the Autococker it uses a automated cocking system to fire from a closed bolt position then cycle another ball into the chamber. Palmers also makes the Pug which is a pump pistol, it's kinda like a PGP on steroids. It runs for like $350.

Had a Sidekick Semi-sent it back due to velocity variation problems.

Had a PT Extreme-modified the heck out of it (replaced mainspring, fixed valve, made own ball detent, added aftermarket barrel, upgraded sights, fixed valve again, added dual 12g system, fixed valve another time, modified velocity adjuster, modified magazine, fixed valve one more time) then I sold it.

Lessons learned:  (Keep in mind these are only my personal opinions based on my experience.)

I really didn't need a pistol.  That said, I will get another one eventually just for the fun of it.  When I first got it my plan was it would be for close range surprises.  I used to crawl a lot on the field to get eliminations.  (Sneak in close, fire one shot per elimination, then leave.)  While doing this I encountered several situations where a pistol would have been handy.  Usually these were situations where members of the other team passed near me, but not in my field of fire, due to a combination of factors such as marker length and the cover/concealment I was using.  In these situations I thought it would be handy to have a pistol that I could just snake out of the holster and fire easily in any direction if necessary.  Once I bought the PT this opportunity never presented itself again.  (Murphy's law probably has something to do with that.)  I did use the pistol by itself for three separate games.  I did fairly well twice and ended up being chased around a large bush by a little kid while I was trying to reload the other time.  He did eliminate me on the fifth or sixth lap by the way, but it was still fun.

I recommend a pistol with an enclosed CO2 chamber and an O-ring equipped cap.  If the 12 gram doesn't seat correctly, the chamber should still hold pressure.  Additionally, I wasted a lot of 12 grams because of my adjustable quick release on the PT.  12 grams come in slightly different sizes and you don't always realize that one won't fit until after you've pierced it.  Also the "adjustable" part of the quick release didn't stay adjusted where I wanted it and caused me to waste 12 grams. 

I recommend a removable barrel, but only because they are easier to clean.

I do not recommend an aftermarket barrel.  I considered my PT to be only for emergency use at close range when I bought it.  The after market barrel I bought for it was unimpressive and upon reflection I did not need it.

When I get another pistol, the only upgrade I will consider will be handgrips.  If it is an emergency (which is what it would be purchased for) I sure as heck don't want to drop it when I need it most.

Make sure the sights don't interfere with quickly getting it out of the holster.  (The stock PT front sight was bad for this.  It was also higher than the rear sight which meant when the sights were properly aligned on target I was shooting the ground.)

Practice with it; and I don't just mean standing target practice.  I recommend not using the sights at all.  Shoot the pistol enough that you can just point and pull the trigger and the paint breaks where you want.  Practice drawing from every conceivable position (standing, kneeling, crawling, etc) and shooting in every possible direction until you can draw and hit any target within 15 feet without even having to think about it.  I suggest practicing from all positions so you have a chance in worst case scenarios.  I picked 15 feet for two reasons; because the tactical pistol instruction I went through identified that as the average range for most pistol encounters and also because as others have mentioned, most paintball pistols are not all that accurate.

One last thought.  In the cover I usually chose to play in, opponents beyond 15-20 feet aren't likely to notice me.  I would be ready with the pistol if I couldn't get my 98 on target without attracting attention, but I wouldn't fire unless I had to.  It's better to let your target get a little farther away, then get a better position on them with the 200 rounds available in your primary marker.

Oh yeah.  Have fun.