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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

The thing that none of you so called “Anti-War” people realize, is that we “Pro-War” people (as you call us) as well as everyone in the military, are all anti – war, do you think that we want war! Do you think that we want our fathers, sons, and daughters to go over there and fight and die! No, we don’t! The difference between us and you is the fact that we know that it does not take two men to start a war, only one. And we know that sometimes you have to go and fight and die so that others may live in a free country. My family knows this all to well, we have had at least one family member from every generation fight for this country in every war this country has been in, from the Revolutionary war on up to the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq, and my father is over there right now fighting so you people can call him a baby killer and his superiors Nazis. You all take this for granite, and you need to be more appreciative of the freedoms that you have and more thankful to those who have given them to you. So before you go and call someone a Nazi, think about all those Marines, Soldiers, Seamen, and Airmen who have died to give you the right to say that.

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Well us neighbors of "Cletus and Lulu Belle" here in the "red belt" of political ignorance, that our freind "Badsmitty" and those like him, lumps anyone who does not happen to agree with his and his affiliated political party's views just want to know where the Anti-War protest targeted at the Radical Fundimentalist Islamic Groups who have declared war on America, will be held on September 11th, 2005. We must show a "fair and balanced" approach to war, shouldn't we, or are we just in the Anti-War(Bush) mode.

I am told my logic is flawed, yet the retoric logic of certian individuals must not be questioned by us "red belters", for we are not as informed or educated as our more elite east and west coasters.

So from "Cletus and Lulu Belle" and all of us who dare to watch FoxNews (the one network among the many who dares sway from the "left approved" positions of the other major media outlets) we are alowed to question the motives of those who call us "ignorant bible thumpers" and other derogatory names, yet get offended when we hang the simple name of "liberal" on them.

So where and what time is the September 11th, 2005 anti-war protest? or is that not on the lefts agenda?

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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

To all these people complaining about wars and such. I dont want to hear a darn thing come out of your mouth when there is a 747 in your backyard with a screaming muslim in the cockpit screaming his head off.


not every terrorist is a muslim, in case you didn't know. I like how you use stereotypes to make the actual human beings seem fake to you, but that's how we justify killing other human beings.

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Why do you say that, Dibi?  You don't think you are making some assumptions about cause and effect?

A very good argument could be made that the war in Iraq (in particular) actually increased the chance of that 747.

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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>The thing that none of you so called “Anti-War” people realize, is that we “Pro-War” people (as you call us) as well as everyone in the military, are all anti – war, do you think that we want war! Do you think that we want our fathers, sons, and daughters to go over there and fight and die! No, we don’t! The difference between us and you is the fact that we know that it does not take two men to start a war, only one. And we know that sometimes you have to go and fight and die so that others may live in a free country. My family knows this all to well, we have had at least one family member from every generation fight for this country in every war this country has been in, from the Revolutionary war on up to the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq, and my father is over there right now fighting so you people can call him a baby killer and his superiors Nazis. You all take this for granite, and you need to be more appreciative of the freedoms that you have and more thankful to those who have given them to you. So before you go and call someone a Nazi, think about all those Marines, Soldiers, Seamen, and Airmen who have died to give you the right to say that.



not to degrade your post...but Lt. Dan anyone?

in all seriousness though, I do not want your father to die like Lt. Dan's did, which is why I'd like to not invade foreign countries for oil and money and watch our good soldiers die.

and the DNC and the RNC aren't even that different, except some of the DNC actually support the right of a woman's body and choice, but I find myself mostly digusted by both parties.
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To all these people complaining about wars and such. I dont want to hear a darn thing come out of your mouth when there is a 747 in your backyard with a screaming muslim in the cockpit screaming his head off.
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The thing that none of you so called “Anti-War” people realize, is that we “Pro-War” people (as you call us) as well as everyone in the military, are all anti – war, do you think that we want war! Do you think that we want our fathers, sons, and daughters to go over there and fight and die! No, we don’t! The difference between us and you is the fact that we know that it does not take two men to start a war, only one. And we know that sometimes you have to go and fight and die so that others may live in a free country. My family knows this all to well, we have had at least one family member from every generation fight for this country in every war this country has been in, from the Revolutionary war on up to the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq, and my father is over there right now fighting so you people can call him a baby killer and his superiors Nazis. You all take this for granite, and you need to be more appreciative of the freedoms that you have and more thankful to those who have given them to you. So before you go and call someone a Nazi, think about all those Marines, Soldiers, Seamen, and Airmen who have died to give you the right to say that.

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    Aw jeeze smitty, you're just too nice. heh...too bad I got there late, I would have liked to heard and seen more but ya know Ohio weather...lol....Anyway, that speech y'all let me read was pretty good. I just could help but think that I could do better though....lol...just kiddin. Later man.


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  Bango: that looks pretty good man. I'll have to add it to my ever growing list of stuff I wanna read....


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Originally posted by goodsmitty goodsmitty wrote:

I went to my first war protest today, and it was nothing like I expected it to be.

First, the overwhelming majority of Pickaway County, OH (bible belt) supported us.

Secondly, the ones who gave us the bird showed legendary resolve and bravery, and only did it after the light had turned green, and they didn't have to face those that they insulted. [inflammatory statment alert!] I am noticing a connection here between Cletus and Lulabelle and the biggest mouthpieces for the war, the Bush Cabinet, Fox News staff, and conservative talk radio show hosts who are all, to the man, draft dodgers. So there must be a connection between uber-patriotism, conservatism, and cowardice.

Thirdly, a soldier who had just returned from Iraq, still in uniform came out. He says that everywhere he went, there was no electricity, and in his judgement the country was in need of about twice the soldiers that we have on the ground today. Sure, he was a specialist, but he did just come from Baghdad.

g'smitty forgot to tell you that the local Rebublican leadership stood across the road at our support the troops rally under a local merchants awning and would have nothing to do with us other than shake their heads in derision.  They slunk off about 30 minutes into it.  It was really funny because they made sure that when they slunk away they used the crosswalks on the other side of the street to avoid our cooties.  They were supporting the local donut shop while they stood there, though.

Me and g'smitty's signs were painted with "Who would Jesus bomb" and "Bush's friends aren't dying"on the front but were easily flipped over with "Enlist Hero" on the back for the occasional heckler.  When you saw people at the red light inching down their windows, you knew that they were timing their courage with the stop light.  They'd say something and speed off, but not before they got the "Enlist Hero."  

We got to meet .Ryan (from the forum) there.  Quite a nice fellow. 



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I wish I could have gotten someone to cover me. I'm glad you had a good time, I was there in spirit.
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I went to my first war protest today, and it was nothing like I expected it to be.

First, the overwhelming majority of Pickaway County, OH (bible belt) supported us.

Secondly, the ones who gave us the bird showed legendary resolve and bravery, and only did it after the light had turned green, and they didn't have to face those that they insulted. [inflammatory statement alert!] I am noticing a connection here between Cletus and Lulabelle and the biggest mouthpieces for the war, the Bush Cabinet, Fox News staff, and conservative talk radio show hosts who are all, to the man, draft dodgers. So there must be a connection between uber-patriotism, conservatism, and cowardice.

Thirdly, a soldier who had just returned from Iraq, still in uniform came out. He says that everywhere he went, there was no electricity, and in his judgement the country was in need of about twice the soldiers that we have on the ground today. Sure, he was a specialist, but he did just come from Baghdad.



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Thought this would be a good place to ask so I can hear both sides opinions.

Anyone ever read this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/074325547X/102-8616276-1788 912?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I saw it , looked pretty good.

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Of course we've rebuilt schools, hospitals, and infrastructure. Of course, we originally blew those things up as well.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Many here spout thier talking points, Haliburton, no WMD's, civilian casuality rates, and those of us who spout ours, freeing a people, eliminating a despot, finding evidense of WMD's.....

The exception is one group has a very defined objective, the "overthrow" or impeachment or whatever of our President, the other supports the president.

... on both sides ...

The one side blames and defames ... one of thier anchors ...

...anti-bush ... thier ... pro Kerry

...your ...you ... your minds ...

...people like myself ... we ... 

Here's a thought, OS:  There are more than two sides. There are more than two groups.  There are more than two opinions, more than two positions.  The world is not "us" and "them" or "for" and "against" or "D" and "R".  The world is not black and white.

 

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Fear not, FAUX News and their ilk will reassure Cletus and Lulu Belle that we are merely anarchists.   

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There are simularities in our approaches to todays world issues. Many here spout thier talking points, Haliburton, no WMD's, civilian casuality rates, and those of us who spout ours, freeing a people, eliminating a despot, finding evidense of WMD's.....

The exception is one group has a very defined objective, the "overthrow" or impeachment or whatever of our President, the other supports the president.

The masters of word spinning on both sides (myself included) spin thier facts to suit thier cause. Again an exception I do not disect their posts to meet my needs, the ideas are based on each views, teachings, and opinions on past history.

The one side blames and defames "Faux News" for not reporting the "truth", the one network that dares to sway from the conformist views of the other major networks with thier evident bias, even as one of thier anchors stepped down because of a proven false "truth" that met the biased agrenda. And the reseached data that in the election process more than 65% of all reporting was very anti-bush by these major networks, who by thier own admission were pro Kerry. The idea is to report the news, in a balanced fashion, not to create it to meet an agenda, as seems to be the case with the major networks.

The "War Protest" of March 19th is a needed function in our society, and I support your right to protest, go at it, have fun, show us how "peacefull" you truely are. But as I said in the initial post, just remmember in the back of your minds, that somewhere out there in the world, another youth wishes he could do the same against his government, but knows his moment of freedom of speech will land him in prison, or a mass grave.
And it is people like myself, for whatever "misguided" reason we do it, once commited, try to spread the freedoms we have to those who before we stood in thier streets to protect that freedom, could only dream of it.

So in a fair and balanced way in you protest, make sure you also show the newly rebuilt schools, the newly rebuilt water systems, books, school supplies, toys, and all that some americans see as a good thing to do for these people, but alas, none of this will be included in the March 19 protest, only what meets the agenda of the protestors, a true Anti-Bush rally plain and simple.   
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

As for the "babykiller" reference, you two smitty"s need to review your past postings...and I quote...."But our entire nation calls little dead children in Iraq "collateral damage." Are our little white American fetuses more precious than little brown Iraqi ones?" veiled referance but the point is American servicemen still intentionally kill "little dead children". And another true anti-war or anti-violence statement from our resident leftists,"Woot! Getting ready for the March 19 protests! I even have a few extra days off in case I get arrested. I hope I get to do a pre-emptive strike on those Protest Warrior fools if they show up."

1.  No veiled reference to calling anyone a babykiller.  Save that word twisting crap for the weak minded.  There are dead Iraqi civilians.  No use of the word babykiller from me.  Deal with your own conscience if you need to.

2.  If you assume I am a pacifist, you are wrong.  I was a soldier, too.  Just not legendary like yourself.      

3.  Lieutenant Dan off of Forrest Gump just keeps coming to mind when I read your posts....  

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

The gospel according to Micheal Moore, Americans are not violent, every socirty has those who for thier own personal gratifacation inflict pain on others.

If you want to point blame, how about violent video games that glorify killing......desensitize youth to what shooting someone actually does, no reset button....
Violent and graphic movies......and the list goes on...and of course it is your right to view this.....care to compare the youth violent crime rate pre video game era to today...may shock you

Video games made Bush invade Iraq?  Yeah, I see the logic.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Wonderfull little debate, problem is I have heard it all before, 35 or so years ago......

Do we feel any better or safer, for most probably not for many here, or our "brave" protesters never saw first hand how in thier mind glorious "Peoples Liberation Armies" or "National Liberation Fronts" or whatever the tyrant of the day cares to claim his force is called treats his own peoples who may thru a moment of freedom not agree with the resident tyrants minions. Many of you have no idea what a true attrocity is, never smelled death a klick away as you approach a ville, never seen a victim of a mass rape, or a disembowled village elder, or a dismembered child, in you mind a true attrocity is only a stack of naked Iraqis where the intent of the exercise is to remove the only thing we could thier dignaty, and if you do not understand the methodology that in itself shows the ignorance and blindness of the pacifist. And by the way never saw a news man or camaraman takin any pictures of any of these Vietnamese villes, or Honduran villes, because even then it did not meet the agendas of the time.
So even though your logic is horrible, and your history erroneous, your life experiences make you correct?


As for the "babykiller" reference, you two smitty"s need to review your past postings...and I quote...."But our entire nation calls little dead children in Iraq "collateral damage." Are our little white American fetuses more precious than little brown Iraqi ones?" veiled referance but the point is American servicemen still intentionally kill "little dead children". And another true anti-war or anti-violence statement from our resident leftists,"Woot! Getting ready for the March 19 protests! I even have a few extra days off in case I get arrested. I hope I get to do a pre-emptive strike on those Protest Warrior fools if they show up." I think he was saying that the same "fundamentalist" Christians that got Bush elected for some reason don't shed a tear for the 100k Iraqis dead from misplaced bombs and mistaken intelligence. The reason bibles today put Jesus quotes in red is so Christians can ignore what he said easier.

And where was all the rightious indignation while the Democratic hero Mr Clinton was bombing "aspirin factories", "babyfood plants" and even a real honest to god "Chinese Embasy" with real Chinese inside, and all the deaths of innocent Serb children killed by the bombings, oh we were too worried on the vast right wing conspiricy while Mr Clinton was getting ......skys.....

At least be consistant folks......protest all wars, acts of aggression, attrocities, not the ones the DNC decides may get them back into power again. That is your problem in a nutshell, you have to be all for something or against it. Here's how it works: Vietnam, bad idea. WWII, good idea. Desert Storm good idea. Operation Iraqi [insert latest justification], bad idea. See how I pick and choose what to protest, and my brain didn't melt or anything!


And maybe, just maybe if these protestors actually did some true investigating instead of hoping on the popular bandwagon, many of these DNC talking points may be questioned, but by their agenda, they prefere not to for the true point of the exercise is as usual an attack on President Bush, and his administration....no true Democratic ideas to spout other than Bush is wrong. Dear God, how many times do I have to justify why I think this war is wrong? Why do you keep repeating the same Rush Limbaugh garbage over and over?

Ask the Danes, Belgians, Norwegians, French how they were told Herr Hitler was no threat and their will be "Peace in our Time", and until the end there were French protestors to a "criminal" war, right up until the French Surrender in May 1940.

Not revisionist history, just history in its cycle of repeating itself again....65 years later....Radical Islam and its individual and or nation state supporters are no threat to the west..........
Now we are about to repeat Vietnam, where a bunch of soldiers wind up dead, and we lose. I read history too.





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Who are you going to believe? Faux news?

Anyway, many people do not get the point of Bowling for Columbine, its about how America lives in a culture of fear, which breeds the violence. But lets not get into that in this thread.
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