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DBibeau855
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Dont beleive anything Micheale More says... god.. hes such a snake.
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BARREL BREAK
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OS, way to put words into our mouths, no one was trumpeting how great Saddam was, hell We agree, evil man. So why don't you just shove those lies right up in there?
Hmm, and yet more masterful word twisting, great, for propogandist agitation, not so great for honest debate. No one is insinuating that soldiers are deliberatly killing iraqi children (IE baby killers), this is to compare the right wings enormous concern over a few aborted fetuses to their apathy towards tens of thousands of innocent iraqi's.
It was right here... (Not as much as the current one, but that was because I was around 11 at the time.)
We do, all the ones that make no sense.
Yeah, some just jump on the bandwagon, but the real instigators and the ones who keep going are only supporting THEIR Ideals, not the DNC. The democratic party is dead, its a slightly less conservative Republican party.
What about radical American nationalism and movement away from a free society? What about our imperialist expansion? [/QUOTE] Edited by BARREL BREAK |
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Dune
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I protest all wars, I'm consistent. Anyways, it seems too much of a scapegoat to blame movies and video games. I guess that's what happens when people don't feel the need to take responsibility for themselves and their children. |
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Frozen
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Our computer labs all have Doom 95 mysteriously present...
It even has online multiplayer. |
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Hades
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Gahh! Your right! I was so busy whipping through the game that I didnt pay any attention to the story line. Plus, I dont think that my laptop from back then had a sound card.
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Clark Kent
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^^^^ Demons. In Doom the Marine shoots demons, not aliens. Get your classic FPS right - sheesh!
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Hades
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In my opinion, it was a stretch by the media. I believe in a home video one of them was taped saying that they were going to shoot up and kill just.."just like in Doom." [Doom being a popular video game at the time.]
In this instance this could have been an influence on the 2 boys, but for the millions of others that played the game, they figured out that the game was strictly fanasty. Also in that particular video game, the player shoots aliens, not humans. |
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Bolt3
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Their MAIN motif was society looking down upon them.
They were the kids always called "**edited**s" and "**edited**" and things like that. All they wanted was revenge and how society is degrading. Look at Rome. Great empire until they had to much. Couldn't handle it, and they died out. Isn't that what America is becoming? |
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oldsoldier
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Just a case point....not a proven fact on violence rates......but in the Columbine shooting did not the shooters use a movie as the basis of their motive?
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Clark Kent
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Really annoying/boring/stupid movie.
Good reason why correlational statistics should be kept out of the hands of the underinformed.
BTW, OS, not to get picky or anything, but a sig complaining about idiots works a lot better with proper spelling. You might want to fix that.
Although at least you aren't calling people "retarted", unlike some of our members... |
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Hades
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I disagree that it is the video games causing the violence.
Most youth/people are aware that video games are fiction and fantasy only. Video games and movie violence are the scapegoats because the real problems are being ignored. The same video games (even more violent in some cases) are being played in other nations and their crime rates have not increased... |
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Bolt3
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Yes, but don't they have the EXACT same things in other countries?
Don't most of those things actually come from other countries?
/me only 14 so don't beat me up. |
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oldsoldier
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The gospel according to Micheal Moore, Americans are not violent, every socirty has those who for thier own personal gratifacation inflict pain on others.
If you want to point blame, how about violent video games that glorify killing......desensitize youth to what shooting someone actually does, no reset button.... Violent and graphic movies......and the list goes on...and of course it is your right to view this.....care to compare the youth violent crime rate pre video game era to today...may shock you |
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Bolt3
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Bowling for Columbine.
Good movie. Go watch it. Americans kill eachother with guns thousands more times than other countries and our friendly neighbors to the north. Amercians are violent people. It's not the soldiers faults' but their leaders. |
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Clark Kent
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I'm not sure if it is selective memory, or just selective observation in the first place. Hard to tell the difference sometimes. Another interesting phrase: "Effort justification." |
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oldsoldier
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Wonderfull little debate, problem is I have heard it all before, 35 or so years ago......
Do we feel any better or safer, for most probably not for many here, or our "brave" protesters never saw first hand how in thier mind glorious "Peoples Liberation Armies" or "National Liberation Fronts" or whatever the tyrant of the day cares to claim his force is called treats his own peoples who may thru a moment of freedom not agree with the resident tyrants minions. Many of you have no idea what a true attrocity is, never smelled death a klick away as you approach a ville, never seen a victim of a mass rape, or a disembowled village elder, or a dismembered child, in you mind a true attrocity is only a stack of naked Iraqis where the intent of the exercise is to remove the only thing we could thier dignaty, and if you do not understand the methodology that in itself shows the ignorance and blindness of the pacifist. And by the way never saw a news man or camaraman takin any pictures of any of these Vietnamese villes, or Honduran villes, because even then it did not meet the agendas of the time. As for the "babykiller" reference, you two smitty"s need to review your past postings...and I quote...."But our entire nation calls little dead children in Iraq "collateral damage." Are our little white American fetuses more precious than little brown Iraqi ones?" veiled referance but the point is American servicemen still intentionally kill "little dead children". And another true anti-war or anti-violence statement from our resident leftists,"Woot! Getting ready for the March 19 protests! I even have a few extra days off in case I get arrested. I hope I get to do a pre-emptive strike on those Protest Warrior fools if they show up." And where was all the rightious indignation while the Democratic hero Mr Clinton was bombing "aspirin factories", "babyfood plants" and even a real honest to god "Chinese Embasy" with real Chinese inside, and all the deaths of innocent Serb children killed by the bombings, oh we were too worried on the vast right wing conspiricy while Mr Clinton was getting ......skys..... At least be consistant folks......protest all wars, acts of aggression, attrocities, not the ones the DNC decides may get them back into power again. And maybe, just maybe if these protestors actually did some true investigating instead of hoping on the popular bandwagon, many of these DNC talking points may be questioned, but by their agenda, they prefere not to for the true point of the exercise is as usual an attack on President Bush, and his administration....no true Democratic ideas to spout other than Bush is wrong. Ask the Danes, Belgians, Norwegians, French how they were told Herr Hitler was no threat and their will be "Peace in our Time", and until the end there were French protestors to a "criminal" war, right up until the French Surrender in May 1940. Not revisionist history, just history in its cycle of repeating itself again....65 years later....Radical Islam and its individual and or nation state supporters are no threat to the west.......... Edited by oldsoldier |
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MT. Vigilante
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I did not understand because you worded it badly so that it sounded like you were saying what I said it sounded like. Now that you have clarified what you said, I completely agree with you. |
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Badsmitty
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You know, you guys are right and I'm way wrong. The song is actually "The way we were." Sorry about that. |
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Badsmitty
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I thought that COP meant Consumer Of Pastries. Are there any who do not? |
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Badsmitty
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If you see me at a peace rally, by all means see if that works. Edited by Badsmitty |
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