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Dune, at my high school, it's a requirement to take 2 years of a foreign language.

I'm fine with that, but if people move to a country, they should learn the language.

If you don't bother learning it, get out. Our langauge is tough, yes, but it shouldn't take more then 3-4 months to learn the basics to participate in our society.

After that initial period, if you don't know enough to function, get out
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2005 at 11:47am
Why shouldn't Americans learn different languages? Oh now I get it, because Americans shouldn't accommodate anyone and schools should only teach English because people of arrogance and ignorance will never leave their neighborhoods in order to broaden their horizons. Many other countries such as Japan and Germany teach English as a second language like their own. They do this because they have intelligent school officials that realize the importance of understanding others. It doesn't matter what language is spoken the most, it's about convience, and I'm happy with the amount of languages I have taken the time to learn. I feel more comfortable with myself and others and believe it should be required in schools.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bugg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2005 at 11:27am
Originally posted by Ejp414 Ejp414 wrote:

Okay, I agree with Dune, Clark, and Hway. I do not agree with Bugg,
Uhh.. I have the same views as HWAy, with VERY SLIGHT variations....
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We are a country of diversity that from its beginnings has spoken many languages. Just becuase you all are too lazy to learn another language dosent mean they should be forced to.

You seem like an intelligent person, so how did you come up with this?? Are you even familuar with the history of immigration in America. Do you know that the procedure was, and the consequesces of not following them?? I assume you do not. If you did you would understand the folly of your stance.
Personally I find it irration to believe that Americans should learn another language so we can accomidate the new crop of immigrants to this country.
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The best way to stop the illegal invasion of our country is to place a mine field at the boarder.   
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Just for a random throwing out of opinion, I have always found the Marshall Plan to be one of the best political power-plays of all time.
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Unfortunately, it's exactly the point. The Treaty of Versailles which ended the 1st World War was very harsh on Germany, particularly in the form of war reparations. Those reparations left Germany in poverty and that was a serious contributing factor to the rise of National Socialism and by extension the 2nd World War.

Certain parallels can be drawn to the current situation in Iraq. Poverty is the root cause of terrorism in much the same way it was the root of National Socialism. If we are going to be truly successful in Iraq then we have to create a fully functioning nation state complete with a legitimate economy. If we don't the region will devolve into something akin to Afghanistan and our military might will have succeeded in nothing but creating a breeding ground for fundamentalist Islam and terrorists.   

Edit: Kudos to Darur for beating me to the WWI connection.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2005 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

We beat the hell out of the germany and left it in poverty.

Um...No. 

At the end of the 2nd World War the United States embarked on a massive campaign of grants and loans to help rebuild Europe and specifically not leave the defeated Axis powers in poverty. It's often referred to as the Marshall plan.  

 



Well duh, thats how World War II started in the first place.  We kept the Germans so incredibley poor after the first war and brought them down so low they could only go up that they rebelled.


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Originally posted by Betterdays Betterdays wrote:

Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

We beat the hell out of the germany and left it in poverty.

Um...No. 

At the end of the 2nd World War the United States embarked on a massive campaign of grants and loans to help rebuild Europe and specifically not leave the defeated Axis powers in poverty. It's often referred to as the Marshall plan.  

 

What about the soviet contribution to the fall of Germany.

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Thats really not the point.
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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

We beat the hell out of the germany and left it in poverty.

Um...No. 

At the end of the 2nd World War the United States embarked on a massive campaign of grants and loans to help rebuild Europe and specifically not leave the defeated Axis powers in poverty. It's often referred to as the Marshall plan.  

 

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No. We dont have to stabalize anything to win a war. Look at germany. Look at all the other wars the US has one. When have we ever cared? We beat the hell out of the germany and left it in poverty. We dont have to go through a reconstruction to win a war. We won in Iraq, now we are setting up a government that hopefully, will look out for our interests as well as theirs.
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lol, we did? When Iraq is a self supporting, secure, becon of democracy in the middle of the holy land THEN we have won. Right now we're not there.

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Originally posted by Badsmitty Badsmitty wrote:

Originally posted by Bugg Bugg wrote:

Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Not every superpower has collapsed because of becomming immoral as you put it.
true, England is still around... we have a chance But if you look at old Rome, they colla[sed after they allowed public/outright homosexuality (no offense Prod and Clark)


Rome became great because of its middle class. Middle class landowners were citizen soldiers who had a stake in protecting the empire. Rome collapsed when the wealthy took the land from the citizen soldiers and turned them into peasants. Save the immorality lecture for the fundie wacko's who don't read history books.


Also, the Greek army got whipped in Iraq. (Retreat of the 10,000)


No democratic nation that ever pre-emptively attacked a soveriegn nation has ever won.


History...sheesh



We did. Iraq.. History..sheesh.
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It's ok guys, I think other countries will be the ones worrying about illegal immigration before too long.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nickodemus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2005 at 7:44pm

Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:

i dont get your title... 

In a different thread I said that "if I got guested for something minor, I would be done with this forum"

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hades Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2005 at 9:36pm
I finally skimmed through the first post and I have to say is I am grateful for not being on whatever mailing list you have gotten yourself onto. That was the nearly the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted here.

I started typing a very long and winded reply but I gave up. At least the people that heard this speech didnt applaud. Despite what ever the emailer wrote, it was not because the audience was shocked by the info in the speech and how correct the speaker was, but because they too thought it was the dumbest thing they ever heard and couldnt believe their ears.

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Originally posted by Bugg Bugg wrote:

No Dune, we DO need to lock the borders

BUT if we make it easier to become a citizen, we will be like evryother country, letting int he worlds trash. I'm happy we have high standards for citezendy.


I think America has enough "trash" in it already. Illegal immigrants are welcome in my book. Better if we just let them all become legal.

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So what if some people dont want to wait 15+ years to get their application approved to enter the United States hoping for a better chance at life. As long as they are good people, which most all of them are. Who cares.

I would like to know these jobs that the illegal aliens are taking. If they dont have green cards or American highshcool diplomas their job oppertunies fall to what people are willing to hire them for; mostly under the table work of hard/back breaking labor or really cheap labor. If your complaining because you feel that your less then minimuim wage job is at stake because of an illegal alien, go earn your high school diploma.

Another thing that caught my eye, if you go to any other country you will find people that have learned English. They speak thier native tonuge and english. Some think that they are so superior are they are the best and that is the way everything should be. Well I disagree.

/me goes and starts at the being of the thread to read it.

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lets bring back the Soviet Empire! 
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