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quite honestly, the only thing I've read was the topic post, my posts, and very few.  Honestly, no, I did not read your secrets.  But now that you've said so, I'm gonna find 'em.  Anyway, I didn't know you knew that formula. I'm impressed.  Good job man.  See anti sniper dude?  Us sniper people even got formula's!

and about sniper....  Read the MAY 2005 ISSUE of APG Paintball Magazine.  It talks about sniping.  Sniping is the act of shooting from a concealed postion.  Ambush is lying in wait in order to surprise attack somebody.  Ambush and Sniping are nearly the same in deffinition, but the words "lying in wait" particullarly mean your gonna move.  A sniper on the other hand, lies in wait, but doesn't ambush his enemy, rather simply takes out a key target, and doesn't bother taking out other opponents, since that's the job of the frontlinesman (or if you've ever played Special Ops style, Daggars and Broadsman.)

Snipers aren't afraid to get hit, they just know how to hit their target from a distance.  That's all really sniping is, it's a hit and run, while ambush is hit, and hit some more.  That's my personnel opinion.



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I know, I have landed some long balls and streched my marker out on the bench to see what it's capable of.

"distance to target (drop)+target elevation+windage+constant velocity & pressure & paint+leading =target hit"

It's a matter of having good paint and a consistent marker.

Did you read the secrets I wrote in this very thread already?

Everytime I play woodsball I ambush, half the firefight we don't see each other... are we all snipers/counter snipers. The problem people have Warwingsaw3 is when player's (particularly new ones afraid to get hit) call themselves snipers. Using it as a noun as apposed to a verb.



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maybe not 200...  more like 150.  Its tough, and it's easier with no wind, but it is very possable.  you have to know distance+elevation+windage+velocity=target hit.  I can't give you my secret though...
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Originally posted by warwingsaw3 warwingsaw3 wrote:

this anti-sniper dude is ticking me off. I'm gonna set you straight.  There is sniping in woodsball, and scenario woodsball.  Sniping directly means: a shot from a concealed place, to shoot at a person from a concealed place straight from the DICTIONARY:  If your playing scenario paintball right, and one of the objectives is to take out the red teams general, I would look at a map, figure out the best way to approach their base and trails, hide a distance back from a trail, and wait.  general walks by, he doesn't see me a hundred feet off or two, I would pop two shots, and badda bing, I shot him while SNIPING!.  Get over it.  Sorry, but that's the way it is.

How often do you hit a walking target at 200' with 2 shots from your marker?

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this anti-sniper dude is ticking me off. I'm gonna set you straight.  There is sniping in woodsball, and scenario woodsball.  Sniping directly means: a shot from a concealed place, to shoot at a person from a concealed place straight from the DICTIONARY:  If your playing scenario paintball right, and one of the objectives is to take out the red teams general, I would look at a map, figure out the best way to approach their base and trails, hide a distance back from a trail, and wait.  general walks by, he doesn't see me a hundred feet off or two, I would pop two shots, and badda bing, I shot him while SNIPING!.  Get over it.  Sorry, but that's the way it is.

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^ I had a funny experience my first game. My friend had a 98 and at that time I had my entry-level Spyder (glad those days are over lol). I swapped him out for a game, which was a good thing. I walked into our heavy woods where I saw him disappear, and began searching for him. I suddenly heard firing, and ran out of the woods into the opening. He stopped firing, so I thought he was trying to hide again. I let loose every single round in that hopper into the thorny area where he was hiding. When he stepped out, he hadn't been hit once. The thorns and tree limbs had absorbed every shot-the same thing had happened to me (lol the foliage was all bright yellow). The Spyder had malfunctioned, which is why he stopped firing. That was actually when I learned the biggest rule in woodsball-it's hard to hit people in deep woods.
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 When I was a noob I tried to "snipe". ppsshh. It's impossible in woodsball because in my woods you can't really shoot more than 30 or 40 ft (when lucky) without hitting a bush or tree or whatnot. It's also more fun to stage ambushes and charge the enemy. 
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Originally posted by Sentinelz Sentinelz wrote:

I wonder Darur since you're obviously much smarter than me as I click that damn link everytime I see it... would the ball fly straight if it had chambers and X amount of paint in the chambers? I went off to do math a few days ago posted a few times and then forgot and then remembered and then later remembered I can't do math or algebra I can barely handle geometry...



I'm like getting a C in geometry

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I dont exatly understand what you are saying though
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There are NO Sniper in paintball! And for all of those none belivers go to this website and look it up. www.webdogradio.us
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I wonder Darur since you're obviously much smarter than me as I click that damn link everytime I see it... would the ball fly straight if it had chambers and X amount of paint in the chambers? I went off to do math a few days ago posted a few times and then forgot and then remembered and then later remembered I can't do math or algebra I can barely handle geometry...

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Originally posted by xxg-reaperxx xxg-reaperxx wrote:

you cant honestly snipe in paintball, now with the right equipment you can practice sharpshooting type tactics, but you cant really snipe.


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you cant honestly snipe in paintball, now with the right equipment you can practice sharpshooting type tactics, but you cant really snipe.
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alright...  Yeah, you are in the wrong forum topic area thingy for your subject, but hey, what the heck.  You wanted to know if a sniper is a valid position in paintball?  Two words.  Heck yeah!  When I play woodsball...   wait a minute, heres my setup first:

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*cough, here we go again.  When I play woodsball, I play one of two things.  A sniper (covers the captain, or the leader).  Or, I play Saw gunner (the big dude who likes to shoot everything that gets in his way).  Your right, sniping isn't all hiding, but it is a valuable position to play in order to cover your teammates and take out other captains in scenario games.  Nice meeting ya!

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Since this thread is in the wrong area and on "snipers," I am thinking about pulling out the shooting info I put into it. I would modify it, add too it, then put it into the new players forum under the topic of aiming. I never went over the fundamentals of a steady shot that I assumed everyone had, so I would brief over that.

I would do it now, but don't have time... I know a lot of people do not see how this info relates to paintball. Maybe I should put it in T & O or leave it here? Those who are still reading this thread... should I let this info I typed slip into the unactive archive under the wrong topic because I was trying to prove a point?

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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

I'm new to the forum, so I thought I'd open up a really nasty can of worms.

Not a wise move

I've read alot on this board that has to do with sniping. I wanted to give some idiot newbie input. I've been playing paintball for a couple of years, but I've always studied militaria. That's why I play. Sniping, despite common misconceptions, isn't one shot one kill, nor is it hiding in the woods. Those are basic military principles.

No buddy, thats woodsballer tactics

Sniping is a skill. I know a couple of ex-snipers.

If they are real military snipers they will tell you sniping in Paintball is bull poo

Snipers are trained to do many things at once-but most of the time they hide-usually directed at a single target. I'm afraid too many newbies, including me when I first grabbed a gun, start paintball fresh off the online video games like Delta Force, and plan on using those tactics in paintball. I got a serious lesson in getting beat the first time I played trying to snipe fellow player. What I learned is that to create the speed and distance in a paintball to snipe, it would almost have to be lethal. Therefore to be a "sniper" in paintball-assuming the definition of a sniper is not what does, but the skill in which he does it

Whats the skill?

-you would have to be an expert with your gun. The key to being a sniper is to stay hidden.

Buddy, you just told me that was a "military principle", not a sniper thing.

They teach you in the military to stay hidden at all costs. How many people in reality can actually take another player out without his locaion being compromised?

Depends on the player being shot.  Its not that hard you will find.

Sitting in a trench waiting for another player is an ambush. Staying hidden isn't sniping,

Make up your mind buddy.  You told me first staying hidden is a military thing not a sniper thing, then you told me its vital to being a sniper, not you are saying its not sniping.

it's called woodsball.

Hence my earilier point . . .

What would sniping be in paintball, then? In my opinion, sniping is going after one target, and taking that target out without being seen or heard from.

Thats all fine and dandy but if you search the topic we've shown it doesnt work.

As I said, I'm not an expert, I'm simply giving my humble imput on this discussion. I've hashed this out with my friends over and over, and from my little experience I've learned the hard way that sniping isn't only hard, in the average game it's near impossible.

More like is impossible

Yeah, that was a really long-winded rant, but I'd like to hear more from other players who've been out there alot longer than me as to whether sniping is a valid position in paintball, and different ideas on how to pull it off. I think there was another thread on this elsewhere, so sorry if I'm rehashing old arguments.



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I took a photo for you all, so that you may see some common calibers:

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I will go from left to right. First is the 30-0-06, this is the smallest caliber I would shoot at 1000 yards. Next to that is the Win .308, this is a solid killer out to 500 yards. After that is the 7.62 x 39, this medium cartridge is what most of our troops get shot at them, and is comparable to our narrow flatter shooting .223 that is fired in the AR military rifles. This includes the AR-15 derivatives M-16 and M-4. The AR-10 has a Win .308 chambering. I wouldn't trust a 7.62 x 39 or .223 to have enough energy to be a one hit killer past 300 yards. All three of these rifle bullets in the photo are 7.62mm in diameter and considered .30 cal. On the other side of the paintball you get pistol bullets. I would not expect to do much with these past 100 yards. First is the .45 ACP and next to that is the .40 S&W. Both of the ones in the photo are hydra-shock hollow points, so they look a little bit shorter then the normal ball ammo. Right of those are the 9mm luger and .22L bullets. I consider the 9mm a cap gun bullet - people survive getting hit by these all the time so long as it avoids a critical organ. The .22L is a great cartridge for target practice. It is quiet, comfortable to shoot, and match grade ammo is cheap. Don't underestimate the .22L, the bullet is small and fast- here is a photo of my .22L rifle.

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I try to give them more credit then that, but with some of these forumers I may get suprised.

Range estimation with MOA and mil-dot recticle.

Most weapons either scoped or iron sighted are graduated in the MOAs. I explained a MOA earlier in this thread... now we will take it further for range estimation. Really easy if you have a scope with stadia lines of 1MOA:

[(size of object in inches) X 100]/size of object in MOAs = range in yards

Now if you don't have that fancy scope you can use your front sight also. First calculate the MOA width of your front sight:

21600/[(sight radius in inches X 2pie)/front sight width in inches)] = MOA

Now to use it for estimating range. Say you calculated your front sight to be 8MOA with the second equation I gave you. How far away is your target? You want to shoot at a target with a 20 inch torso and your sight blanks it out perfectly. Use the first equation I gave you.

[(20" torso) X 100]/8MOA = 250 yards

Now for the scopes with mil-dots! Mils (3.6" @ 100 yards, or 36" @ 1000 yards). 1mil = 3.438MOA

Remember when measuring the length of a target in mils to go from the center of the dot or hash mark to the center of the next one, not the edges. They are 1/4mil wide and 3/4 mil apart. Heres your equation:

[(size of object in yards) X 1000]/size of object in mils = range in yards

If a 6' man (2 yards) is 4 mils in your scope then he is exactly 500yds away. 2 X 1000/4 = 500

MOAs are 3.438x more precise then mils, but if your shooting a cannon at a building or vehichle use mils.

 

 

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Originally posted by Sniperdaddy Sniperdaddy wrote:

alot of you are missing the point.sniping is NOT staying in one spot picking off targets that only you can see. the only reason that i got my 98 flatline is because my imagine couldnt hit a brick wall. so for all of you out there who are confused about the whole point of sniping it is simply this: 1. really accurate gun
                               2.avoiding other players paintballs
                               and 3. moving around to get a better vantage point of your opponent

that sums it up

So then by your definition, every woodsballer in the world is a "sniper."

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Don't the people in paintball who think thier snipers do that^ anyway?

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