Sniping in Paintball

snping isnt when people think they can shoot farther than anyone else, its when they can pick off a player at a reasonably medium/long distance that the trajectory of a paintball will allow them to. i  think its rediculos when people say snipers dont exist. there so ignorant and it makes them sound like newbies

Darur lives in hawaii, hes gotta be the smartest person on the forums.

sentinal343 wrote: Darur wrote: stratoaxe wrote: I'm new to the forum, so I thought I'd open up a really nasty can of worms. Not a wise move I've read alot on this board that has to do with sniping. I wanted to give some idiot newbie input. I've been playing paintball for a couple of years, but I've always studied militaria. That's why I play. Sniping, despite common misconceptions, isn't one shot one kill, nor is it hiding in the woods. Those are basic military principles. No buddy, thats woodsballer tactics Sniping is a skill. I know a couple of ex-snipers. If they are real military snipers they will tell you sniping in Paintball is bull poo Snipers are trained to do many things at once-but most of the time they hide-usually directed at a single target. I'm afraid too many newbies, including me when I first grabbed a gun, start paintball fresh off the online video games like Delta Force, and plan on using those tactics in paintball. I got a serious lesson in getting beat the first time I played trying to snipe fellow player. What I learned is that to create the speed and distance in a paintball to snipe, it would almost have to be lethal. Therefore to be a "sniper" in paintball-assuming the definition of a sniper is not what does, but the skill in which he does it Whats the skill? -you would have to be an expert with your gun. The key to being a sniper is to stay hidden. Buddy, you just told me that was a "military principle", not a sniper thing. They teach you in the military to stay hidden at all costs. How many people in reality can actually take another player out without his locaion being compromised? Depends on the player being shot.  Its not that hard you will find. Sitting in a trench waiting for another player is an ambush. Staying hidden isn't sniping, Make up your mind buddy.  You told me first staying hidden is a military thing not a sniper thing, then you told me its vital to being a sniper, not you are saying its not sniping. it's called woodsball. Hence my earilier point . . . What would sniping be in paintball, then? In my opinion, sniping is going after one target, and taking that target out without being seen or heard from. Thats all fine and dandy but if you search the topic we've shown it doesnt work. As I said, I'm not an expert, I'm simply giving my humble imput on this discussion. I've hashed this out with my friends over and over, and from my little experience I've learned the hard way that sniping isn't only hard, in the average game it's near impossible. More like is impossible Yeah, that was a really long-winded rant, but I'd like to hear more from other players who've been out there alot longer than me as to whether sniping is a valid position in paintball, and different ideas on how to pull it off. I think there was another thread on this elsewhere, so sorry if I'm rehashing old arguments. And Wrong forum buddy Every dang thing "darur" sain was absolutely stupid. He just cant face the fact that he (or she) is not smarter than everyone on this forum. Pick on someone else, buddy!

Prove me wrong please, and I dont think I said anywhere I was "smarter than everyone on this forum".


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Reb Cpl wrote: Sorry dude, I misunderstood you...

No need to be sorry-I should have made myself more clear. I was a mod over a forum for like three years-I would have reacted the same way if I'd have read the post. Alot of people misunderstand me, (see the _TT_ thread lol) but I actually don't argue on the Internet. I might give a smart response, but I try to stay in the rules. The last thing I want to do is get on the mods' bad side, lol...

 

It's actually a shame people start playing paintball with the concept in mind that you just run and shoot everything in sight. And the other half are 12 year-olds who start out thinking they're gonna be certified military snipers because of some game they played on the PC. Trust me, I've been there. I had the sniper stars once too, but after about four games I realized that was alot different than playing Delta Force on the net.

Reb Cpl wrote: Are you certain that I DONT have military expierence there chief?   Regardless of wether or not I have expierence, I think its funny that someone who has, or says they have expierence hold themselves in such lofty regard. Explain to me why, rather than rebutt my argument you swoop into 12 year old mode and try to insult me. Because while my military information might not be first hand, it is extensive. I'm beyond being dilusioned by a few movies or scenario games. Apparently, you may not be.

I wasn't insulting you-I agreed with you. You said that people weren't snipers just because they played it in paintball. I said it's funny how newbs always go around bragging they're experienced in military tactics when they've done nothing but play paintball. Not sure how that's 12 year old mode, but for future reference, unlike alot of other Internet forumers, I don't resort to mindless name-calling to settle differences. Try to keep that in mind before you act to fast on my posts.  BTW. I feel the same way you do about snipers-I don't know where people get off thinking I'm pro-sniper. I just posted this to get opinions-I never really took a side.

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Are you certain that I DONT have military expierence there chief?

 

Regardless of wether or not I have expierence, I think its funny that someone who has, or says they have expierence hold themselves in such lofty regard.

Explain to me why, rather than rebutt my argument you swoop into 12 year old mode and try to insult me.

Because while my military information might not be first hand, it is extensive. I'm beyond being dilusioned by a few movies or scenario games. Apparently, you may not be.

 

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Monk wrote: I agree Reb, Some of the descriptions dont fit. But the few that do, and the people that do it the best, should be considered whatever they want to be called. In some cases they want to be called a sniper.

Herin lies the problem. I haven't got a problem in the world with anyone wanting to be CALLED 'sniper' Thats one thing. But when you get people swearing seven ways to sunday that they ARE in fact, snipers just because they hide in the bushes and can get good shots off, thats where my beef lies.

What I think spawns this entire issue is the absolute bombardment that we are exposed to as children by the movie industry as to the glory and power of the sniper. Granted, there is something spectacular about the entire concept, but remember that kids are so interested in imitating that which they find interesting, that something like this is no exception. I'll admit, that when I started playing paintball, I dreamt of being the ultimate sniper, sneaking around the brush, laying down shots that befuddle my opponents and then vanishing into the trees. Then I realized two things. That wasnt going to work, given the limitations of the equipment, and the limitations of my own skills, which while not at all mean, they can't hold a candle to that level of skill necessary to be able to achieve the level of awesome that I wanted. Few if any of us can.

The second thing that I realized was that sneaking around through the woods and shooting the 'enemy' before they shot me....was the entire point of the game. My doing the best I can to imitate the images that I found on television and in the movies was doing me no good, because that was exactly what everyone else was doing.

When me and my peers grew up a little bit, we realized that the longer barrels, and the fancy marker setups might look cool, but their effectiveness was limited. It is with some chagrin that we admit to each other that we all wanted to be Tom Berrenger in 'Sniper'

With age comes wisdom in most cases. You'll realize that the time you'll invest camping under a shrub and hoping against hope to get that textbook snipe-shot could have been better used to engage your adversaries in a much more stimulating fashion, and you won't have to sacrifice stealth or skill to do it.

OS put it best one day, and by looking at the quote that I've had in my sig for almost a year now, you'll understand what I mean.

Call yourself a sniper, call yourself a fireman, or a sea monkey, hell, call yourself a bat for all I care....as long as you realize that no matter what you call yourself, you are still the same as I am. A paintballer. We utilize the same set of skills, and thile they might be at different levels, they ARE, in fact the same. We play the same game. We have the same objective. If you want to put so much effort into arguing the schemantics of a term and the application of necessary skills, go for it, but in the end, like I said, you do the same thing I do, and you're the same thing I am....and I am not a sniper.

Nickodemus wrote:  but please don't close it until all arguments are exhausted and it is turned into a crap fling... you know members won't just search.

Thats the plan. So far, it hadnt turned into anything that deserves to be locked. Usually, these threads don't last half as long. This is a good thing fellas, keep the discussion civil. Thats part of the reason I didnt move it to T/O or New players....it'll get hijacked in no time flat there.

I usually wait until Sr_crewchief of OS gets in here to obliderate any and all arguments that the pro-sniper people have then watch them flounder in a quagmire of useless arguments and silly comebacks before I lock these threads.

I'm not going to lock this one just yet. I'm tempted. Very tempted. Instead, I'll do what I don't usually do, and add my input here.

 

I don't know all that MOA crap.
I don't know the exact militart specifications for interdiction rifleman.
I DO know that the proper application of ALL of the factors (there are more than one) of sniping in paintball are not only impossible, they're downright stupid to argue in favor of.

~Shooting from a concealed position: I've been playing woodsball for about 7 years now. I try to have ALL my shots taken from a concealed position. 

~Ghillie suits and flatlines....Laughable. I've seen more kids in mismatched ghillie suits get pelted that it's become a running gag. Flatlines sure give you range, but the inhanced accuracy over that range is a cute argument.

~Optics on paintball markers....again, worth laughing at until I throw up. There isn't a marker alive with the consistent accuracy over a distance to warrant a scope. If you put a scope on a paintball marker, You're not only limiting your field of vision, but you're also pretty much ensuring a miss when taking a long shot. If you want to view something at a distance, use binoculars. Scopes are silly.

~The stories that kids tell about sniping their friends are 99% crap I'll bet. enhanced, reversed, or made up on the spot, paintball is alot like fishing like that.

~back to my main point here for a second: from the research I've done and the expierence in the field that I have, the numerous aspects of sniping aren't applicable.

working for intel and recon- not exactly laying in the bushes and waiting for your friend to stick his head up.

range shooting- IS necessary, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise, anyone could do it. If all that distance shooting isn't necessary, then go tell Sgt. Slaughter to bulldoze his 1000meter ranges.

consistent accuracy- again, show me a paintball marker that will give you a tight grouping at 100 yards.. or 50 yards.

strategic placement for shots- the closest you get is camping on the side of the road hoping your adversary comes down it.

And so on and so forth.

~Sure, we can apply one or two pieces of the term to the game, but not all, no way in hell are we going to properly apply all of them to the game.

Its alot like dissecting a frog in science class and calling yourself a surgeon. Cute, but not accurate.