geez, not again.

Rambino wrote:

deadeye007 wrote:

A.C.L.U. American Communist Laywers Union

How clever. Did you think of that all on your own?

Maybee...Maybee not...

Instead of fighting over it. We should keep it how it is and let every one come to an understanding that the word God in the pledge stands for whatever you want. (God, Buddha, Allah, Joeseph Smith etc.etc.) Also for the athiest that dont believe in any god at all can let the word God mean whatever makes them happy (money pizza sex Gi Joes etc. etc.) That way everybody is happy.

BRad

Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato

Fat Stalin wrote:

You are forcing atheism on me by taking it out. The arguement goes either way.

How? There is no "Under a state where no God exists."

There is no arguement, and any attempt at one is a poor one by somebody just digging tooth and nail for any possibility of making one. Since it does not state the fact that God doesn't exist, it is not implying atheism.

You can not have Freedom of Religion and "Under God." Simple as that. You are forcing a specific religion onto poeple and it completely bullies through the First Amendment.

And Da Hui. They can't do that to you or you can actually take them to court, oh and you'll win quite easily. Sit at your desk, remove your hat, and just sit quietly and politely, show respect. If they give you detention refuse on the grounds of the fact that being a public school you have the legal option to not recite the pledge.

Of course that's only if you feel the need to. If you want you can be pressured into doing the pledge and not stand up for what you believe in. Then go ahead and put your hand over your heart.

ITs not the actual "under god" thing thats the problem, its you actually will get punished if you dont say the pledge, how severe i am not sure. i dont really care bout the undergod part cause im christian

deadeye007 wrote:

A.C.L.U. American Communist Laywers Union

How clever. Did you think of that all on your own?

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As posted at another time: I plead alignment to the flakes of the untitled snakes of a merry cow, and to the republicans for which they scam, one nacho, under pants, with licorice and jugs of wine for owls.

Da Hui, I'm questioning your honesty here, few organizations are more sensitive of the consequences of forcing the pledge than public schools. Teachers have been fired for lesser offence.

Bacon's essay on Atheism is an interesting read, "lack of belief is unto itself a belief" (my quote, not his, but derived from what I understood from his argument).

George Bernard Shaw's arguments concerning the merits, or lack thereof, of religion are also an entertaining read.

For I will wander to and fro,
I'll go where I no one do know,

You shouldnt have to say the pledge, if Under God really offends you. But I can agree with making you say it.

saepe fidelis

Wow, at my school we have to say the pledge, or we will get detention or whatever. And yes I go to public school.

You are forcing atheism on me by taking it out. The arguement goes either way.

I find it amusing that the pledge is about a nation being indivisable and two words thrown in as an afterthought have made it divisable.

The judge's decision will not stand. The Sacramento judge based his decision on the ruling of an appellate court in the prior Newdow case. When the case was returned to the state by the Supreme Court the appellate court's decision was nullified, and therefore cannot be used as a precedent.

The judge in question is was appointed by the Carter administration, and his views are predictable.

The middle ground is that no one is required to say the pledge in part, or in whole, regardless of the version used.

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For I will wander to and fro,
I'll go where I no one do know,