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    Posted: 24 October 2005 at 12:40am
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Originally posted by cv222005 cv222005 wrote:

read this from the www.atf.gov aparently silecers are illegal for pball too.

 

(A9) Q. Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers legal? [Back]

A. §921(a)(24) The terms "firearm silencer" and "firearm muffler" mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C., Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200 making tax.

that is true but what many people dont realize is that a fire arm has to use fire or an exsplotion of some sort to get the projectile moving, like with a rifle the firing pin hits the primer the primer then makes a tiny "exsplotion" thats sets the gun powder on fire turning it into gasses that keep exspanding till the pressure is so great it shoots the bullet out the barrel, in a paintball gun there is not exsplotions or fire, so its not considered a "fire" arm its an air gun
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Note: They DO NOT say that paintball silencers are illegal. They say that SOME THEY HAVE TESTED HAVE BEEN FOUND to be compatible with firearms. 

A paintball barrel could not be used with a musket. there's be far too much pressure, adn it would destroy the barrel. I guarantee the result would not be silent. You can't easily change the trajectory of a bullet using a hard barrel. (Caveat- 90* curved barrels were fielded in WW2. in limited numbers)

A silencer needs to have a very close calibre match to be effective, otherwise the noise just gets out through the space between the  projectile and the barrel. The ATF is wording their statement to try to scare people. They must prove that you can use it on a firearm if they want to charge you, and I guarantee that if a paintball will fit through the silencer, you'll be just fine using it without registering it with the ATF.

NOTE: Under Canadian law:

Prohibited devices include:

  • devices designed to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm, like silencers;

A 'firearm' is very strictly described in Canadian law. As long as it's not designed to suppress a firearm (which must fire at higher than 500fps), it's legal. There's your loophole, fellow Canucks. someone put one together, and give our American bretheren a hand.
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how bout you  make it, not tell us how to but post a video and that'd be cool
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if you use a pourus but firm fill inside the shroud, then it will take the shape of the curved barrel and not be able to be used with a real gun.

also, using a the flatline on a musket wouldnt work. i think. the forces generated required for a killing speed on a musket would pretty much make the curved flatline explode, thus making it useless on a musket and extremely stupid. once again: i think.
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Face it, take the shroud off, and you can use any manner of ducttape, and any silcencer scould be modified to fit on a gun. Oh and I bet it could be attached to a musket.

If it can be attached and used, its illegal.
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Originally posted by O.F.Fascist O.F.Fascist wrote:

Silencer arent illegal, they just have to be registered with the ATF and you have to pay your $200 tax on them, just like with real machine guns.


Kind of a pointless law as I doubt it does much of anything to stop real criminals from using silencers, but gives the government the authority to make life hard for otherwise law abiding citizens who might now know the law so well.



It is illegal if "not registered" wit the ATF.
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Silencer arent illegal, they just have to be registered with the ATF and you have to pay your $200 tax on them, just like with real machine guns.

Kind of a pointless law as I doubt it does much of anything to stop real criminals from using silencers, but gives the government the authority to make life hard for otherwise law abiding citizens who might now know the law so well.
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^^^ HA! i was right. that should make the flatline perfectly legal, so you can give instructions!!! personally, id like to know.
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Yeah. If you do report back, DO NOT include instructions on how to make it.

Also It is true that if a silencer is part of a barrel it is legal. As long as the barrel cannot be modded to fit a real gun.
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Originally posted by whack-a-mole whack-a-mole wrote:

yeah, i agree. make one when you get a chance and report back. You can still use it in back-yard paintball. I think it would be cool.


No, do not report back. There will be no forum discussion involving directions to build an illegal silencer.
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Originally posted by the_blade the_blade wrote:

evcen if burs develop at the end of the barrel its noting a sanding wheel couldnt get rid of?

... and how exactly do you plan to use the sanding wheel? the burs will form on the inside of the barrel...

PLUS:

The interior of the barrel is coted with ceramic... so, burs can not form, because ceramic dissipates... but then again, thats all theory for now... I still havent found a used flatline to test my theory... :(

SO THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR SANDING... theortically... :)
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oh ha flippin ha...
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Apperently not enough stupidity is illegal in Texas since your not locked up yet....

Sorry you left the barn door wide open for the horses to run through on that one.

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Originally posted by The Guy The Guy wrote:

ummm,

the flatline shroud isn't welded on.
i know that! the thing is, any nut could tell you you couldnt use a flatline with a real gun, so even if you do get caught, you have a good defense. do it. make the silencer. it should be ok. but, dont listen to me. i live in texas where a LOT of stupidity is legal!
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evcen if burs develop at the end of the barrel its noting a sanding wheel couldnt get rid of?
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yeah, i agree. make one when you get a chance and report back. You can still use it in back-yard paintball. I think it would be cool.
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ummm,

the flatline shroud isn't welded on.
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i dont know if this is true or not, but i heard that the atf outlawed paintball silencers because they can be used on real guns. i heard about a loop hole somewhere that says if the silencer is part of the barrel, and cant be removed (example, welding), then its legal. gluing doesnt count because its just attatching, not built in. using this loop hole, the flatline should be legal. also, you cant use the flatline silencer idea on a real gun because of the curve of the barrel. it might actually be a legal design.

-edit- also, drill the holes on the bottom of the barrel, because the ball is forced to the top and will be out of the way.



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I say go ahead and make it. The ATF has better things to do than chase down paintballers.
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