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    Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:38pm
I am a Deist, which means I believe in a Creator that I can worship. I can worship It by saying thanks for the things I have and by being good and doing good things for other people.

My question to you all is this: why do people fight for religious supremacy when we all can believe in the same thing?

That thing is Deism. With Deism, those who believe in it are never wrong. You can't offend people of other religions because you believe in the same God as they do. You don't worry about making it into heaven, because the life God has given you is like a heaven anyway.

Think about what has been given to you. God could have chosen to have created no life at all. The fact that you are alive today should be enough to be thankful for. Even if you are handicapped or cannot do the same things a perfect person can do, you still can enjoy this life.

And if there is an afterlife that God has created for us, for after we die, then that's super. But there's no way of telling. And that's not an important thing to spend time thinking about anyway, because it hasn't been formally promised to you. It's best to assume that the life you have now is the only life you have. You should not seek a reward for doing good deeds, the good deeds in themselves are a reward for both you and those that you have served. And the Creator looks on those good deeds and It appreciates what It has created.

You have the choice to be good or bad. But it's not like God will think any less of you if you do bad things. You are only acting natural. God would rather see super-natural people, though. People who seek progress are the ones that God watches most.

With Deism, you do not have to forsake science. God is a scientific Creator, a Creator that has designed the entire universe using scientific order.

And with Deism, there are no tattered edges. You know that Something had to have created everything you see around you. It is the same thing as Atheism, except you just know that there had to have been something supernatural that created everything.

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About me trying to convert people to Deism-my warning was that this thread was going to be about religion. I think that Deism is a nice path to choose for those that consider Atheism just because organized religions have been too pushy to them.

I suppose Deism is the same as Agnosticism, with less thinking involved.


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I can see what your saying.  But in all honestly, people can't believe in one God for everything.

In my religion (christianity), theres a verse that says "no man enters the gates of heaven, but by me" meaning Jesus.  That pretty much eliminates a universal God (unless it being Jesus or God).  But thats just my opinion.  I think it's cool that other people have their beliefs, at least it shows their thinking.  Even agnostic or atheist.
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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Hahah.


Don't mind him.

Nobody else does.
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And how exactly does this fit in with an agnostic?

Well it doesnt and religious contention still would exsist so generalizing everyone to deism would be a waste of time.

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i stopped readin when you said "why cant we all be deists."

i am a tolerable person, i accept other religions, races and cultures, but when people try to convert others to their religion, it is just too much. i hate that with passion. in the old times most wars, in fact, were started because people tried to converst others to their religion.

just be tolerable and accept other religions.



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Are you trying to convert people on this thread?

Edit: I am an athiest. I dont really mind others religions because its all up the individual. The only thing I hate is when people try to force thier religion on somewon else.



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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

i stopped readin when you said "why cant we all be deists."

i am a tolerable person, i accept other religions, races and cultures, but when people try to convert others to their religion, it is just too much. i hate that with passion. in the old times most wars, in fact, were started because people tried to converst others to their religion.



Why would you care if people try to convert?

I've never met anyone so pushy if you told them you didn't want to hear what they had to say, they wouldn't stop.

All you have to do is simply not listen.
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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

i stopped readin when you said "why cant we all be deists."

i am a tolerable person, i accept other religions, races and cultures, but when people try to convert others to their religion, it is just too much. i hate that with passion. in the old times most wars, in fact, were started because people tried to converst others to their religion.



Amen.

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So what happens to every one that believe in God when they die and find out, God doesnt really exist?

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Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

i stopped readin when you said "why cant we all be deists."

i am a tolerable person, i accept other religions, races and cultures, but when people try to convert others to their religion, it is just too much. i hate that with passion. in the old times most wars, in fact, were started because people tried to converst others to their religion.



Why would you care if people try to convert?

I've never met anyone so pushy if you told them you didn't want to hear what they had to say, they wouldn't stop.

All you have to do is simply not listen.
im glad if people want to convert, but trying to sell religion is just silly. have pride in your religion, by all means, i do, but dont try to convince me its better than others'. just accept the other religions. if that happened, there would be no war, or at least a LOT less.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

So what happens to every one that believe in God when they die and find out, God doesnt really exist?

that wouldnt happen because God does exist.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

So what happens to every one that believe in God when they die and find out, God doesnt really exist?


What happens to everyone that doesnt beleive in a god and find that one does exist?
 
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i predict this is gonna be worse than the various sniper threads.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

So what happens to every one that believe in God when they die and find out, God doesnt really exist?


Then you believed in false God your whole life and wasted alot of time that could have been spent doing something else.

Now what happens to everyone that doesn't believe in God and they die and fount out he does exist?

The odds are a little weighted....
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you must be a terrible Deist if you dont know your OWN religion... Deist believe in a NON-MEDLING God...which contradicts many religious beliefs...which means all religions could not view your own belief
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Supposidly they go to hell, but meh if God doesnt exist, neither does hell.

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Supposidly they go to hell, but meh if God doesnt exist, neither does hell.


Note that I said "A god", not the Christian god.  Not all religions beleive in hell.
 

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Supposidly they go to hell, but meh if God doesnt exist, neither does hell.


But if he does, so does Hell.

Honestly, even if God isn't real then you still have a hope, even if it's false.  If you die and nothing happens, what have you lost?

Then look at it Vice Versa, it just seems a little better to me on one side....
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