Full Auto-No Egrip no nothing

Yes, they were serious.  I know because I was around for every one of the above mentioned innovations including when people with "rapid-firing" pump markers first started taking on those of us unfortunate enough to still be armed with Splatmasters.

I'm sorry, i thought you meant recently.  you failed to say when these things where considered cheating.

It's okay, that's what I get for being old and not admitting to it.

lol, it's cool, i'm glad that got cleared up.

And yes, full-auto is cheating and semi with the same rof isn't. 

That's not up to you to determine, that is decided by whoever is in charge of the field, or in the case of "outlaw" games, it is determined by the property owner, or through the consensus of the players.  Additionally, I know from experience that a player can just as easily get overshot by a semi-automatic electric "racegun" as they can by a full-auto of any type.  It usually has to do with the amount of paint that the person firing already had in the air when the first hit was called.  In cases where someone keeps firing after eliminating the opponent in question, that's just wrong, no matter what type of marker is being used to do it.  In those rare cases where a "surprise" occurs and someone fires in panic I have noticed that the speedball types with electric semis are just as prone to firing multiple shots as the folks with full-autos.  The only difference I've noticed here is that the full-autos tend to wander off target sooner during fright-firing.

you are right, it isn't my decision.  but look, the fields don't allow it, what about that?  

Actually, both of the fields I've played at up here (one outlaw, one a lot more organized) do allow it; however, the organized one strictly enforces overshooting rules.  Anyone who puts more than three breaks on someone else gets to walk off of the field with them.

i agree with the 3 break rule.  i'm glad that's inforced.  i'm still not certain of the full-auto rule, but i guess the 3br evens it out.

 full-auto is more dangerous and it also takes alot of fun out of the game on all sides. 

• How is it more dangerous, is this your opinion or can you back it up with actual facts?  A long rope of paint is still a long rope of paint no matter what kind of marker it came from.
• I find it interesting that you think full auto takes the fun out of the game.  Could that be because you don't like facing full auto fire.  Try changing your perspective for a minute; the newb renters with stock 98s probably don't think going up against Ions or E-Spyders is all that much fun either.  If you really want it to be fair, everyone should use the exact same marker.

Think about this.  A guy bunkers another guy.  guy #2 panics and accedently holds down the trigger.  guy #1 gets overshot, gets mad, and now he wants to get even.  He punches guy #2.  This triggers a fistfight, an arrest, and more bad points for our sport.  I have seen fights in the deadbox before. NOT PRETTY.

So what you're saying here is full-auto is dangerous because some people are to immature to control their temper.  In cases like that I believe the immature person should be barred from the field, not the marker. (This is another rule that our field enforces pretty strictly.) 

yes, there are some very immature people out there.  i agree with field barring.  my general rule is if it happened once, it will happen again.  i just hate getting bad points for such a great sport. 

This takes the fun out of the game for everyone.  I don't think anyone would actually "like" to face a full-auto.  in fact, that would just be weird to enjoy that kind of thing.  does this make me a coward to not want to go up against full-autos? no.  will i go up against full-autos? sure, as long as i am not insanely overshot.  about the newbs going against higher-end guns, most good fields will seperate the teams according to experiance and firepower.  This gives the newbs more confidence.  It would be boring if everyone had the same marker.  The second biggest aspect of the game is upgrading your equipment as you seem fit.  But the biggest aspect is playing by the rules and staying safe. 

This is probably personal perspective here, but I'm sure a lot of people will agree with it.  I don't mind going against full-autos because I enjoy the challenge.  Of course, on various occasions, I have also chosen to face people armed with mech-semi's, raceguns, and full-autos with only a Stingray, a Tigershark pump, or a PT Extreme just for fun. 

I like a challenge.  i am a stock player, and i load my balls 10 at a time.  I have no speed/woods prefrance. I just really don't like to be overshot.  Point blank isn't fun on the recieving end, especially more than 3 balls at a time in the forehead .  I'm not afraid of getting hit, it's just i prefer not to.  I'm actually quite aggressive.  well, i forget where i'm going with this.

why do u think the NPPL, and every other non-idiot-ran field doesn't alow full-auto?

• While it is true that many places (and tournaments) don't allow full auto, I feel compelled to point out that the "professional" level of paintball seems to have a lot of trouble keeping people from using "cheat modes" hidden in the internal electronics of their markers which kind of invalidates your comparison.
• I consider anyone who uses such a mode (full auto, ramping, whatever) when it is not allowed, to be a cheater; however, if any of the above is allowed at a game site, then it is not cheating and anyone who doesn't feel they can handle that type of play should trade their marker for a pacifier and go play a nice safe game of checkers.

Ramping is cheating.  The NPPL only uses semi-auto because full-auto is dangerous.  i do realize other tournements allow ramp, but these are capped at 15 bps. how are you going to keep a consistant cap on a mech full-auto? 

The rate of fire isn't the issue in rec games, overshooting is.  If someone overshoots (generally defined as more than three breaks on an opponent) they're leaving the field no matter what marker they have.  If they do it a second time, then they're done for the day (with no refunds).

I completely agree with that.  I wish more fields where more like that.