Tippmann isnt good enough?

The shop owner was right and wrong...

He was 100% wrong to bash anything... it is not his decision as to what market you choose to use.

He was right about the DM6 being a superior marker.  I love Tippys, so this is not a cut on them.   However, I base my comment on the following:

Size... get into a snake with both markers... which one would help you stay concealed?   The design of the Tippmann is old.   The configuration is not condusive to todays style of play which is more open and in smaller confines. 

Weight... duh.   Anyone picked up a fully modded 98 recently?

BPS... you can get a Tippy to run close to the BPS of the DM6, but not nearly as dependably.   This has alot to do with the blow-back design and more importantly the feed design.   Even with a center-feed and a force-fed hopper, the Tippy still does not feed as well as the DM6 because it was never designed for it.   Chop city.

Operating Pressure... 75 psi compared to 400 psi (with an LP kit)

Efficiency... how many pods can you dump from the same air source with each?  

Sound... the Tippy is loud, thats just the way it is.   The excess noise gives away your position and limits what you can hear (Teammates, opposing players, etc...)

Maintenance... routine maintenance on a DM6 comes down to greasing the bolt which screws apart into 3 peices.   (actually, you don't even need to disassemble the bolt to grease it)   With the Tipmmann... 6 screws to break apart the clamshell, don't lose the detent!  Dangit, the stupid front sight spring popped out!   Ah, man, how did those pins go back in again?   etc...

My conclusion is pretty obvious as to which is the better marker.   As for the price difference... how different is it REALLY after you completely mod the Tippy?   Stock marker + E-Bolt + LP Kit + Internals + Upgraded board + Eyes + Centerfeed + Trigger + Regulator + LP Regulator, etc... do the math on that.

Styro Folme wrote: it's more fun to shoot someone while using a tippmann though...

booyah to that

glazener24 wrote: Of course a DM6 is better than any Tippy...

I'd like to see a tippmann and a DM?, side by side, thrown in sand, mud and water and see which one works better after, this will prove that tipmmans are made for woodsball, not for speedball, as for the DM6, it is obviously a speedball gun

tippya5extreme wrote: if you upgrade your tippmann it could be light

your wrong there, tippmanns are heavy compared to the average gun, and upgrading adds weight. my tippy weighs 13 pounds (with an empty tank and empty hopper), and its pretty mech.

lol polished internals does very minor weight reductions.. like an oz or 2?

Plus, even with that stuff tippmanns are still heavy guns.

tippya5extreme wrote: thornygravy wrote: tippya5extreme wrote: if you upgrade your tippmann it could be light your wrong there, tippmanns are heavy compared to the average gun, and upgrading adds weight. my tippy weighs 13 pounds (with an empty tank and empty hopper), and its pretty mech. wrong, polished internels, lighter powertube and bolt

Polishing the internals removes paint dust.

The stock powertube weighs about as as much as a handfull of pennies.

The front bolt weighs next to nothing, but I guess with the reaer bolt you could shave off a little weight...

Really though if weight is a problem you need to hit the gym or consider buying a different gun, depending on the circumstances.

hybrid-sniper wrote: Really though if weight is a problem you need to hit the gym or consider buying a different gun, depending on the circumstances.

Not necessarily the case though... weight can play a HUGE part in your game.   

It matters when you are making a 30 yd sprint on break!  It REALLY matters when you are snapshooting because of the mass that you have to get moving to snap out and then reverse directions to snap back in.   Running and snapshooting are not Speedball only related... they are basic paintball skills.   Any advantage you can gain here should be looked at.

Rico's Revenge wrote: hybrid-sniper wrote: Really though if weight is a problem you need to hit the gym or consider buying a different gun, depending on the circumstances. Not necessarily the case though... weight can play a HUGE part in your game.    It matters when you are making a 30 yd sprint on break!  It REALLY matters when you are snapshooting because of the mass that you have to get moving to snap out and then reverse directions to snap back in.   Running and snapshooting are not Speedball only related... they are basic paintball skills.   Any advantage you can gain here should be looked at.

Like I said though, if you need the maneuverability of a lighter gun you may want to consider a new marker.

oh yeah, touche.

i completely forgot about the ion.  anyway, as compared to the dm series, except for the old matrixes, e-bolted tippmanns are for the most part a lot cheaper. e-bolted tippmanns fall into their own class, with, i think, old 'trixes, bko's, and some other "low-high-end" guns.