a5 = custom 98 + cyclone feed ???

I guess...as long as it was a newer 98c and could accept the Egrip.

No the A-5 would still be better because the A-5 is more durable and it shoots way faster,and harder, and it's far more accurate, and besides it'd just be cheaper to buy the A-5 and the cyclone feed system.
so no A-5 doesn't = 98custom+cyclone feed system.

Markle wrote: No the A-5 would still be better because the A-5 is more durable and it shoots way faster, and harder, and it's far more accurate, and besides it'd just be cheaper to buy the A-5 and the cyclone feed system. so no A-5 doesn't = 98custom+cyclone feed system.

Okay first off all how is the A-5 more accurate?  Both guns function the same way. 

Let's take account of how the internals work inside both guns -- both have a sear that trips the hammer; the hammer fly's forward to hit the valve piston inside the powertube; this lets out the co2 or air (depending on what you use) and at the same time the co2 or air is being released from the valve the ball is pushed forward by the front bolt because the hammer is attached to a metal rod which attaches at to the front bolt and the front bolt and hammer move together. Therefore increased accuracy from internals = NO!!

The only other thing that I think of right now that could increase accuracy is the barrel you have and the paint to bore match.  You can get good paint and good barrels for both guns. Therefore is the A-5 more accurate = NO!! 

More durable?? Oh Please!!! Did you not realize that the grip for the A-5 is plastic as where the 98 Custom the whole gun is metal. A-5 is more durable = NO!!

The A-5 shoots faster? ... Well let me think about that remark... the cyclone feed only feeds up to 15bps without mods -- the cyclone feed are exactly the same between the A-5 and the 98 custom EXACTLY THE SAME!! How is the A-5 Faster than a 98 with cyclone feed ... Well the answer is it isn't!! 

How does that A-5 shoot harder? Considering any paintball gun will only shoot harder because of the gun velocity being higher or having a harder rear spring (which will make velocity higher of course) and you can crank both of the guns velocity and both guns come with stock springs so how do you make any sense?? The answer is: YOU DON'T!! Plus the velocity should never be over 300 fps anyway on the A-5 or the 98 custom or any paintball gun!!   Therefore does the A-5 shoot harder = NO!!  Okay well maybe in your dreams!

Okay wait there is a difference between the two guns ... the A-5 is big/bulky and heavier than the 98 custom.  You can't upgrade the grips for the A-5 but you can for the 98 custom. I wouldn't call those things advantages.

tippya5extreme wrote: i agree. the a5 is way better i think. plus with the a5 you can field strip it and replace parts way easier then the 98.

As for field stripping well I'd say get a set of thumbscrews for the 98 custom for $2.50 on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/tippmann-98-custom-thumbscrew-bolts-stoc k-replacement_W0QQitemZ160008187869QQihZ006QQcategoryZ47234Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And then the 98 custom will be even quicker and easier field stripping than the A-5.

To be honest I don't think performance wise or actually for any other reason at all that the A-5 would be better than the 98 Custom with a cyclone feed on it. I actually think the 98 custom with cyclone is slightly better than the A-5. 

But that is my opinion and don't want to start the A-5 vs. 98 Custom war, even though I might have already started one.

Considering that people with A-5's are probably wanting to say something go ahead. 

Acctually now that I think about it - I do kind of want to start this "war" (acctually lets call this a conversation or discussion instead of calling it a war with the A-5 vs. the 98 Custom) even though most people on this site have A-5's someone please tell me reasons why the A-5 is better than the 98 Custom (oh and hopefully this time the reasons will make sense).

Thanks

And I hope my opinion helps clarify a bit for you pieterjan

Edited by phil_stl - 16 July 2006 at 11:05pm

phil_stl wrote: Markle wrote: No the A-5 would still be better because the A-5 is more durable and it shoots way faster, and harder, and it's far more accurate, and besides it'd just be cheaper to buy the A-5 and the cyclone feed system. so no A-5 doesn't = 98custom+cyclone feed system. Okay first off all how is the A-5 more accurate?  Both guns function the same way.  Let's take account of how the internals work inside both guns -- both have a sear that trips the hammer; the hammer fly's forward to hit the valve piston inside the powertube; this lets out the co2 or air (depending on what you use) and at the same time the co2 or air is being released from the valve the ball is pushed forward by the front bolt because the hammer is attached to a metal rod which attaches at to the front bolt and the front bolt and hammer move together. Therefore increased accuracy from internals = NO!! The only other thing that I think of right now that could increase accuracy is the barrel you have and the paint to bore match.  You can get good paint and good barrels for both guns. Therefore is the A-5 more accurate = NO!!  More durable?? Oh Please!!! Did you not realize that the grip for the A-5 is plastic as where the 98 Custom the whole gun is metal. A-5 is more durable = NO!! The A-5 shoots faster? ... Well let me think about that remark... the cyclone feed only feeds up to 15bps without mods -- the cyclone feed are exactly the same between the A-5 and the 98 custom EXACTLY THE SAME!! How is the A-5 Faster than a 98 with cyclone feed ... Well the answer is it isn't!!  How does that A-5 shoot harder? Considering any paintball gun will only shoot harder because of the gun velocity being higher or having a harder rear spring (which will make velocity higher of course) and you can crank both of the guns velocity and both guns come with stock springs so how do you make any sense?? The answer is: YOU DON'T!! Plus the velocity should never be over 300 fps anyway on the A-5 or the 98 custom or any paintball gun!!   Therefore does the A-5 shoot harder = NO!!  Okay well maybe in your dreams! Okay wait there is a difference between the two guns ... the A-5 is big/bulky and heavier than the 98 custom.  You can't upgrade the grips for the A-5 but you can for the 98 custom. I wouldn't call those things advantages. tippya5extreme wrote: i agree. the a5 is way better i think. plus with the a5 you can field strip it and replace parts way easier then the 98. As for field stripping well I'd say get a set of thumbscrews for the 98 custom for $2.50 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/tippmann-98-custom-thumbscrew-bolts-stoc k-replacement_W0QQitemZ160008187869QQihZ006QQcategoryZ47234Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem And then the 98 custom will be even quicker and easier field stripping than the A-5. To be honest I don't think performance wise or actually for any other reason at all that the A-5 would be better than the 98 Custom with a cyclone feed on it. I actually think the 98 custom with cyclone is slightly better than the A-5.  But that is my opinion and don't want to start the A-5 vs. 98 Custom war, even though I might have already started one. Considering that people with A-5's are probably wanting to say something go ahead.  Acctually now that I think about it - I do kind of want to start this "war" (acctually lets call this a conversation or discussion instead of calling it a war with the A-5 vs. the 98 Custom) even though most people on this site have A-5's someone please tell me reasons why the A-5 is better than the 98 Custom (oh and hopefully this time the reasons will make sense). Thanks And I hope my opinion helps clarify a bit for you pieterjan

you saved me so much typing.  thank you

Dude, you still have to take your A-5 apart and clean it, sure it has 4 field strip pins but you still need to have an allen key to dissaemble the recievers... They're pretty much the same. Both durable, both same accuracy and distance when come stock. A-5 can look sharper and have better upgrades but both guns are pretty much equal.

Styro Folme wrote: tippya5extreme wrote: that is so not true ^^^^^^ some it as far as the barrel goes...   can you tell me that you can clean out your INSIDE of your 98 custom faster then a A5? i dont think you can. and when will the speed of cleaning a marker be important?  if you have to rush, you shouldn't be working on your marker anyway.  "oh man, my enemy is advancing on me, i better get these receivers bolted together!"

True and plus I'm guessing he doesnt realize that when they say field strip they dont mean in the middle of a game. Because if your going to take your gun apart in the field you'll need to remove your tank...

tippya5extreme wrote: i do realize that you dont do it on the field. all im saying is the a5 internels slide right out so you can slean them.

I don't slean my internals, but you can do whatver you want to your internals.

I do clean my internals though!  You should do it once in a while it's good for the gun. Although it won't make the A-5 better than the 98 Custom with cyclone feed but it will keep the but it will keep the gun working great.

Edited by phil_stl - 17 July 2006 at 1:00pm

pretty much...  stock a-5 = 98 with cyclone.  but when you get into upgrading, the a-5 has less bounce issues with the r/t due to the weight (tippmann did it on purpose).  but obviously, this makes it heavier.  but either way, they're both nice markers..  i think there is a sticky up somewhere that goes into detail on why the a-5 is better for some stuff than the 98c.  it's mostly about upgrades though.  personally, i wish i would have gone 98c, because it's lighter.  it's also easier to squeegie... much easier.  but you can't go wrong either way.

^right, but if you arn't going to upgrade anything, the a-5 and the 98 custom are pretty equal, correct?  i'm not trying to counterpoint you... i just want to know.

Edited by Styro Folme - 17 July 2006 at 6:27pm

i have owned a 98 custom. then i bought my a5. a5 is alot easier to clean and fo upgrades on.