Thank you Sen. Kerry.

True, it is not an arguement, but if all your dreams come true, and in 08 we have a democratic majority in both senate, and house, and democrat president, will you see that as a regime? And will you show the same outrage as thier agenda is rammed thru with little or no debate, rubber stamped legislation, and unchecked presidential power. What becomes of the required checks and balances then? Welcome to the world of American politics and the perpetual pendulem(sp) of American politics. We were left with Carter, we swung right with Reagan, we hit a nuetral with Bush 41, we swung left with Clinton, we swung right with Bush 43, and where we go next.............?

Edited by oldsoldier - 02 November 2006 at 10:53pm

goodsmitty wrote: Whoever that was waiting for some response to some "fact-filled" bit of trivia I can do one better. How many forumers are there here that don't have a college education but do have stable work, don't live with mom, and don't cook french fries? I would like to see how many options there are other than a college degree and Iraq. I know there are a few, but not many. I live in the Ohio rust belt and know for a fact that 250,000 people turned in their hardhats for blue "may I help you" aprons. Kerry was right, deal with it. Your generation's options are bleak but you continue to support the regime making it bleaker. Say high to Al-Sadr for me!!

Oh Christ are you serious?!?  Just ONCE I'd like you to actually respond to someone calling you out on the FACTS.  Sorry, my previous post was filled with those "pesky" facts, but again, never let those get in the way of a good story or a grandstanding post.

What a joke.

I live in Ohio too, slick, and I'm not seeing what you see.  Care to site me FACTUAL articles or statistics to back up your 250,000 "blue hat" workers claim?  Or are you making that up too, like the numbers in your previous posts?

Absolutely ABSURD forumer wrote: How many forumers are there here that don't have a college education but do have stable work, don't live with mom, and don't cook french fries?

Very scientific of you professor.  Let's get a response from a forum filled with 15 yr. olds on how many have stable work and don't live with Mom and Dad.  Brilliant!  Definitely outdoing that "crazy fact post" of mine.

Really, is this the best you can do?  Why TKD ever referred to you as the "common sense Jesus", I'll never know.  But for my tastes, I'll just refer to you as Cap'n Dodge of the S.S. Blowhard.

Get Real.

Edited by FlimFlam - 02 November 2006 at 11:31pm

.ryan, why was this regime threat never an issue with both the house and senate,the court as well as the presidency in the hands and control of the Dems. I do remmmeber from history a president threatening to "stack the court" to get his desired responses and policy passed (FDR in 30's). The ramrodded "great society" legislation of the early 60's (Johnson)where no debate was allowed by the powers that be in the house and senate(the Dems).

There have been by your definition "regimes" in our past, not a unique event in american politics.

Wasn't there a movement to suspend the constitution to allow the possibility of Clinton running for third term, would that be considered the initial stages of a regime?

The more, dare I use the word, "Liberal" courts of Carter, Clinton appointees overrulings, where the "will" of the people, by democratic popular vote, of bills designed by lawyers, researched by lawyers, written by lawyers, reviewed by lawyers, but only upon its passage was the error in constitutionality found, curious.

You really need to look at the next contenders, we all need to move on, the Bush era is just about over, time to get over it and move on. We have no-one, you all have Hillary (bad move there) so what the next election cycle brings will determine the future.

Edited by oldsoldier - 02 November 2006 at 8:16pm

goodsmitty wrote: Whoever that was waiting for some response to some "fact-filled" bit of trivia I can do one better. How many forumers are there here that don't have a college education but do have stable work, don't live with mom, and don't cook french fries? I would like to see how many options there are other than a college degree and Iraq. I know there are a few, but not many. I live in the Ohio rust belt and know for a fact that 250,000 people turned in their hardhats for blue "may I help you" aprons. Kerry was right, deal with it. Your generation's options are bleak but you continue to support the regime making it bleaker. Say high to Al-Sadr for me!!

regime? since when does living in a republic mean we have a regime? in 2008. he leaves. he is done with being the President. no regime. never was. the only person to ever possibly have a regime in America was George Washington when it was proposed that he be king.

Whoever that was waiting for some response to some "fact-filled" bit of trivia I can do one better.

How many forumers are there here that don't have a college education but do have stable work, don't live with mom, and don't cook french fries?

I would like to see how many options there are other than a college degree and Iraq. I know there are a few, but not many. I live in the Ohio rust belt and know for a fact that 250,000 people turned in their hardhats for blue "may I help you" aprons.

Kerry was right, deal with it. Your generation's options are bleak but you continue to support the regime making it bleaker. Say high to Al-Sadr for me!!

Edited by goodsmitty - 02 November 2006 at 7:14pm

Better yet, Kerry should remember the First Law of Robotics.

RicWhic414 wrote: Honestly none of this would be going on if he didnt apologize right after it happened... you can tell when people apologize a couple days later that someone had to tell him to apologize especially right after he said he wouldnt apologize

I don't think so.  Either side would have capitalized on this and kept it going until election day. 

FlimFlam wrote: 4.  Here's where we part ways.  Four year schools are still very much accessible to those who have always had access to them.  Scholarships, low interest college loans, and other financing options have only grown in recent years.  Do I think that the rise in college tuition is outpacing mean salary growth?  Yes.  Unattainable, no.  And there's always the GI bill...

Fair enough.  As I may have indicated, I don't have meaningful data to back up my points here, but my anecdotes differ from yours.  I know all too many people who were in the "middle" - too poor to pay, too rich for aid.  Similarly, my indirect experiences with the GI bill have been mixed at best.  ROTC seems to be working quite well, but I am not convinced that the GI bill helps that much - particularly with the rising cost of tuition.

But that is perhaps for a different discussion.  I was primarily expressing surprise at the high number of enrollees.  I shall now go and actually read the report.

:)

Honestly none of this would be going on if he didnt apologize right after it happened... you can tell when people apologize a couple days later that someone had to tell him to apologize especially right after he said he wouldnt apologize

choopie911 wrote: Tae Kwon Do wrote: choopie911 wrote: pattison wrote: if he is implying that most military people are dumb, he is right. there is, of course, a certain percentage that are not dumb, but it is below 50 without question. political views aside, that is a valid statement. I'm sure its been said in this thread already, but I'm not going to bother to check. It was a slam aimed at bush, getting the US stuck in iraq. But as per usual, he screwed it up. Can you honestly see Kerry pulling off a joke anyway? He has as much charisma as a slice of bologna. Not the good kind either, like the 98 cent chicken stuff. I dont see anyone really pulling off that joke 100% cleanly even if they had worded it properly. There were so many other ways to imply that bush is dumb, but that just had potential for failure all over it.

I sometimes wonder if he is just a spy implanted from the GOP to screw the Democrats over.

I bet he is a robot. Somewhere, John Ashcroft has a microphone for it.


Edited by Tae Kwon Do - 02 November 2006 at 3:28pm