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.Ryan
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Phil: No point in arguing with ya man. Try reading the article with an open mind and then pm me. We're going off topic in this thread.
Anyway, on Kerry, did anyone hear his explanation? He said he was referring to the importance of being informed citizens and students of history so that their country doesn't get stuck in a place like Iraq. I don't know how genuine that is, but I do have trouble believing that a man who signed up and went into a war zone with his fellow troops is actually suggesting that our men and women in the US Military are stupid or uneducated. Oh and I hate the term "anti-military"....I seriously can not think of anyone who is anti-military, except for that idiot church in Florida and that one gothic lookin kid. Just because you oppose how they are being used or the amount of money that is going to them instead of programs that would help the US citizenry, they say you hate our troops....it's bullcrap. |
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oldsoldier
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The arrogance of those individuals on the forum who have never served or have the intestinal fortatude to serve, as well as thier ingnorance on the military is even more astounding. The spin mysters are doing thier usual great job, trying to defend a man who can "botch a joke", do we now make fun of his attempts at language, I figured with all the education he could master a simple joke. But we should have trusted him with the language of international diplomacy......can't have it both ways. Edited by oldsoldier - 01 November 2006 at 9:30am |
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Kristofer
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Ah. So it comes out. Being a grunt makes one stupid. So I am stupid. Because I scored relatively high on the ASVAB. Yet I chose Infantry. I'm a rifleman. Puts me right on the frontlines and makes me dumb. |
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brihard
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Stalker. Duh. I may chip in on this sometime tomorrow if I feel like it... |
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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."
-FreeEnterprise, 21 April 2011. Yup, he actually said that. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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Its like you know me too well Clark.
That is what I was saying. People who do not have the grades or money to go to any college (community or not) have one or two options. Get low paying manual labor job, or join the military. Most of my friends back home who could not get into college just joined the Navy or Airforce (for some reason those two recruit down here like crazy). Recruiters can be found more often in poor neighborhoods, and in poorer performing schools. There is a reason for that. I am not saying that everyone in the military is stupid. Someone from my school got a 36 (That is perfect) on his ACT and got a full ride to the Airforce Academy. Yes, he took it. I do not think he is stupid. I do think there are a lot of stupid people who have no other means but to join the military, and not as officers. They are the grunts going to Iraq. Like Mr. Kent said, John Kerry was not saying all soldiers are stupid. He was saying the same thing I am saying, he just worded it poorly. The chip on the shoulders of the forum-servicemen is astounding. |
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Clark Kent
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You must not come here often. More to the point, if you read the entire thread slowly, you would have seen that all TKD was saying is that the military is often the employer of last resort (true). TKD interpreted Kerry's statement to say that "if you don't stay in school, you will be in need of an employer of last resort". Basically a stay-in-school-rah-rah speech, albeit poorly stated. Pretty obvious, really. It would almost require intentional blindness to arrive at any other conclusion. To take this as an attack on the military is idiotic. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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Pity. |
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Predatorr
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finally hearing about this, it irks me. My mother, father, brother have all been in. My father spent 22 yeras, my mother 4 (got preggo) and my brother is in now. My mother and father had college degrees, and my brother is in the process of doing green to gold. That just pisses the hell out of me, not only because he said it, but because it's completely wrong. A good family friend is over there right now, and he happened to be an A student. Why, Senator Kerry, why?
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Ken Majors
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The most disrespectful statement I have witnessed on this forum thus far. Edited by Ken Majors - 31 October 2006 at 10:25pm |
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Kristofer
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NCO's are pretty smart too dont forget. I had a Staff Sergeant that had a Masters. He didnt want to be an officer. He liked being a Grunt. I had a Sergeant who was in the process of getting his masters. |
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DBibeau855
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I guess there arent any officers in Iraq, just chock full of sergeants? K, gotcha.
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phillll227
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Do you honestly believe that if President Bush "stole" the election the national media would let it slip by for one second? DO you have any idea how big the cover up would be? This is almost as ridiculous as the people that believe that President Bush is directly responsible for 9/11. Rolling Stone is not a source that I trust to be fair and balanced when it comes to a Republican President. Period. |
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Badsmitty
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Kerry screwed up. Hope it doesn't cost my team too much. I'm guessing there are very few people this late in the game who can be swayed one way or the other. People's minds are made up. Besides, if your patriotismo gets all in a bind over what Kerry said, you should still be stinging over President Bush jokingly looking under desks and rugs for W.M.D.'s during the national press correspondents dinner. |
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oldsoldier
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Have no idea why he would put foot in mouth like this 1 week before elections. Just activated the military vote, not a good thing for dems.
It does go with a recent series of statements from the left. I do remmember the only the poor and uneducated join the military statements of a few months ago. The spin mysters are on it, it will go away here soon, as Kerry tap dances over someone elses political career. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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Glad we cleared that up.
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Kristofer
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Thank you for the answer. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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No. |
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Kristofer
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Thats not the question. Thats not what Kerry said. He said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq". Thats not about options. Thats about being intelligent and doing well in school. Answer that question. Do you believe he is saying you are lacking intelligence if you serve in the military? |
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Mack
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I wasn't sure if he was referring to Sen. Kerry's statement or one of the other off topic arguments occurring afterwards. Oh, by the way, it's spelled "know", not "konw". |
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.Ryan
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If you want to talk argument validity, your committing the "ad hominem" big time right now. Just because it's from a source that is labeled "liberal" doesn't mean the article is any less factual. Did ya read it yet? Oh and a quick search on Google will find thousands of rebuttals on anything you want....means nothing. |
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