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Mack
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It's SP, they'll just backdate the lawsuit to before your incorporation date.
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I'm legally protected now by a 501(c)3 Corporation here in the US. Can't touch me personally.
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carl_the_sniper
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Smart parts is gona firebomb your house. (then patent it and sue you) |
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DeTrevni
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YOU BRING DAT SMART PARTS DOWN!
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tallen702
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You know, I'd jump into the arguments more on this thread and the one over in the NP forum, but I'm currently very busy working on patent re-examination and prior-art publications to send to the USPTO. Maybe next week I'll go de-construct the baseless claims made in these two.
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carl_the_sniper
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There is a giant difference between a marksman and a sniper. You can't be a paintball sniper, but you could be a paintball marksman. A sniper stalks targets for days, hardly moving the whole time. A marksman is attached to a squad and his job it to engage targets that are out of the effective range for the rest of the squad. You can't really compare the two in a sniper argument because their roles are completely different. |
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tallen702
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Heh, I call 'em easy targets. Probably about the same thing when it comes down to it eh CC? |
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Commander_Cool
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As for making your Tippmann Quieter,... a low pressure kit, e-bolt kit and a barrel with good porting will help negate some of the noise.
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I would call them stupid. Edited by Commander_Cool - 18 October 2007 at 2:07pm |
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DeTrevni
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Red, everything you have ever said here has been disputed logim,cally and with much information to back up each of the counter arguments.
The only thing you have done is get some attitude and accuse everyone of upping their ego and following the herd. I'm laughing, but it isn't with you. |
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I like it loud.
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Mack
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Edited Note: I got bored, so I decided to go back through the original post and identify the poster's different techniques in this debate with different font colors as explained in the list below:
I decided on the following simplified font color scheme:
Where Pirate1650 and CtchofDay make good points is in the usefulness of sniper-like tactics (stealth) in woodsball. They are absolutely correct in that being stealthy and flanking, which I'm quite fond of myself when playing, are useful skills/actions. But the use of stealth and flanking does not make one a sniper. If you take the Spec-Ops position of Ambush Sniper and Ghost Flanker and drop the cool part of the names, the descriptive part that remains explains exactly what they do; ambush and flank. These are basic infantry tactics, used by infantry around the world. The "Ghost" and "Sniper" parts are merely marketing hype; the paintball "Ambush Sniper" is doing what almost everyone else does and is no more a real sniper than the "Ghost Flanker" is a real ghost. The only thing that makes most paintball snipers different from the rest of the players is that they have a marginally more effective camouflage. I say marginally because of the issues involved with matching ghillie to terrain and the fact that they may be expected to move and engage much more frequently than real snipers. Edited by Mack - 17 October 2007 at 11:56am |
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RedDragon1313
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Sad isn't it man.
According to the children who attempt to boost their own ego by stating snipers don't exist, YOU don't exist and therefore must not have been the one to get those players out! [sarcasim] I wonder how so many players were eliminated in a game by a nonexistant player? Perhaps all those hits were just caused by paintballs falling from the sky? Since you don't exist because you used sniper-like-tactics and have your marker set up for silence then you must not have made any "one balls" and since accuracy is only obtained by volume, likewise you could neither exist nor could you have made any eliminations, not with ONE BALL. Not to mention the fact that after you took your "one shot" everyone MUST have known not only your EXACT position but rained down paint on you like no tomorrow, getting you OUT adfter EVERY one of those hits. Maybe your marker was out of air and someone else made the hits? Perhaps they were all just such noobs that they shot themselves since YOU don't exist when you use tactics like that YOU could not have goten them out right? Not to mention the fact that as EVERYONE knows NO ONE would EVER walk by where you chose to set up, snipers just head off to a place where NO ONE will be comming and just wait until the game ends right? Oh wait, you don't exist so you couldn't have done that either. Possibly you never even left the starting point and fell asleep and DREAMED you took out other players? [/sarcasim] Anyway man, good work out there! I still need to get up the cash to go low pressure myself for that added silence! (wife, kids, home and car payments kind of keep the "painntball" cash at a minimum) My 98C is so silent already that at over 30 ft or so the sound of the ball whizzing through the air is louder than the shot, I can't wait to see what low pressure will do to the mix! Keep on snipeing and watch the non-believers TAKE THE WALK as they wonder where the balls are comming from! Must be falling from the sky since YOU don't exist man!!
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ctchofday
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I am indifferent on the sniper debate... but;
My 2005 Prostock Autococker stock at the time with only the following upgrades: -WGP Power Valve -Marq7 .688 14" barrel using Co2 and Recsport paintballs (.685-.689) Claimed well over 10 one balls in one game anywhere from at least 40' to 180' with the other person never knowing where i was or hearing the shot. This is because... the gun with combined barrel and paint cannot be heard even from 10-15feet directly in front of it from the much lower operating pressures as well as being a closed bolt... and that i had a relatively good paint/barrel match and a efficient lengthed barrel combined with a good steady aim. Also because i was in full cammo, and a gray mask (neutral colors are just as unnoticable as cammo).. and i could remain rather still, so even when leaning from the side of a tree the other players couldnt render my profile, and while moving i tend to roll my feet as not to CRUNCH anything so i go pretty unnoticed when i move. so certain Sniper aspects can be obtained... Edited by ctchofday - 30 September 2007 at 11:09pm |
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Mack
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The issues is the word "sniper" and the connotations it carries because of popular media. There is no arguing that 99.9% of the people who call themselves paintball snipers envision themselves as a ghillie-clad invisible predator who stalks the field eliminating hapless opponents at will without ever being seen or shot at. That is just not the reality of the game. The truth is the majority of these individual's are much closer to my insurgent example; they have varying degrees of success at hiding and ambushing players who are generally even less experienced than themselves. With this in mind, perhaps a different nomenclature is required to identify them on the paintball field.
Calling them sneaky insurgents would carry a negative meaning, but we need to stay with a designation that relates to/explains what they do. Personally, I think designated marksman actually fits quite well; although I am sure it would also be claimed by people who couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn. "Stealthy Ambush Specialist" isn't bad either, but the acronym SAS is already taken. When acronyms are considered, designated marksman (DM), ambush sniper (AS), and ghost flanker (GF) don't work all that well either. Let's see; according to Spec Ops, there's two types of paintball snipers: Those that use surprise and stealth to institute ambushes and those that either secure their team's flanks or assault the flanks of another team. One uses surprise and camo to score sudden eliminations while the other basically performs as a combination security/assault element on the perimeter of the battle. The names should be descriptive of these functions, so I recommend Surprise Utilizing Camoed Killers and Patroller Of Outer Perimeter. Since these are mouthfuls to say in a tense paintball combat environment, the handy acronyms should be used at all times. Edited by Mack - 01 October 2007 at 7:43pm |
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Ken Majors
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Pirate1650
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Just because many people think it is so does not make it so, as before all but a few thought the world was flat and the sun went around the Earth, even after proving it false they stood to their theories for a great length of time. A sniper is probably going to remain as still as a statue to have good follow through and to not be noticed by the recieving party since they are imediatly vulnerable to return fire and have to remain hidden to stay alive. Their guns until recently have been no better than the standard infantry weapon with a few modifications. If we go back in time a bit to use the WW2 standard since that is what I have studied the most, there are exceptions but the other guns were either the same or similar caliber and considering they stick with their own countries' weapon the English were issued Enfields, an Englsih sniper would have an Enfield with a scope. The Americans 1903 or an M1, American sniper a M1 (rare) or a 1903 with a scope. The Germans, a 98K, German sniper a 98K with a scope. The Russians a Moisin-Nagant, Russian sniper a Moisin-Nagant with a scope. So logically if the standard paintballer has a 98C and one has a 98C with a scope how does that not make him a sniper? Considering it is not one of those guys who only played paintball a few times in their backyard against some soda cans on a saw horse and then bolted everything possible to their gun. I know all paintball guns shoot the same distance and such but, so did the infantry weapons of the WW2 era and before, and by your guys logic that would make them not a sniper? In the Civil War muskets which were smoothbore and fire balls just like a paintball gun, and on top of that leave a huge cloud of smoke and were much louder, I believe were equiped with telescopic sights and were used with some degree of combat effectivness. Would these not be considered snipers? I know the ranges and format of paintball doesn't make for effective "sniping" but I think the tactics can be applied in certain scinarios to great effect. Originally I laughed off the "sniper" guys from before as "noobs" or whatever, but after thinking about it with logic I can't see how they couldn't be considered snipers or marksmen, those who do it correctly that is. To adress the post earlier of the new guys just clinging to one bush and the other guy with his camo tarp or whatever, they were obviously new players. The new guys I play with are always slow to advance for some reason and sometimes I lose my half my team way back the beginning since they decided to crawl the whole way. They are obviously inexperienced and shouldn't be considered as an example. I have played matches where the other person was wearing only woodland camo BDUs and they managed to wedge themselves in between a tree with a bush next to it making himself nearly invisable. He was waiting there and I was walking twords his position and I got shot from the far left of my peripheral vision just to give you an idea of the orientation. I called myself out but looked around to see if I could tell where it came from. The only reason I saw him was because he got up and moved. As far as I can tell there are those who use sniper tactics in paintball. Using discipline in stratagy and success is based on eliminating important targets with the least amount of shots possible while maintaining stealth. As in real life there are very few that can do this right, I can't even do it that well and stopped trying a while back, but unfortunitly for paintball those that fail will be back the next round goofing it up again. |
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goto wikipedia.com
look up the definitions of paintball and sniper, do a word find for the opposite word. See, there are no snipers in paintball. |
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Ken Majors
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There are many posts on this forum that explain why the terms "sniper" in any form is not possible in paintball.
As soon as the "sniper" engages a target he is immediately vulnerable to effective return fire, and is eliminated very quickly. If this were true in sniping then the phrase "One shot, One kill" should read, "One Shot, One Kill, and die" So in other words...the only thing a noob sniper is good for is eliminating another noob, and then being eliminated by the non-noobs. Which may explain why all non-noobs like to play with other non-noobs. |
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