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Snake6 wrote: EE wrote: with the Values of the US Army. Such as Honor, Integrety. EE, you funny man, you.Thanks for making me laugh. I needed it.

My father retired from the US Army. My father is among the best Americans I know. An outstanding citizen. Thou while no Marine it doesnt take away from his character.

now i just have to convince the cadre to replace the rubber ducks with these...stx lanes may become un-pointless/rediculous...

Evil Elvis wrote: jmac3 wrote: impulse! wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Susan Storm wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Kill me. Kill me now. Tippmann announces a new gun that will likely lead to expansion of paintball into new markets, and strengthen the Tippmann brand in the process, and you are upset why? I don't like that the Army is directly involved in marketing a mil-sim gun as a promotion to put their "business" in young people's minds. I worked all last year trying to help put a positive image on paintball, and things like this only make it worse when a news station decides to do an expose on the game.  More than likely, it won't expand the market, only push more new players into non-profitable for local members of the paintball community renegade ball, with less safety.Not to mention the fact that it makes it even easier for a non-player to get his hands on a replica gun and use it for immature behavior like scaring people. Does the news ever care that the person wasn't even a player? No. Just that it was a paintball gun.Shame on the army for this tactic, and shame on Tippmann for stooping to this. and EE, I don't think it's that we think it's going to turn kids into maniacs. It's more the fact that with the army branding any news coverage, good or bad, will probably mention a gun released in conjunction(though minimal I am sure) with the US army.This is turn will make parents want their kids to play less, because it looks like we are out to do war games and train for the army. The other smaller side of the sport(Tournaments) works hard to stray from the killer mentality.Right now the dude that owns the field I play for is having a hard time getting the town to allow him to expand his field from 5 man to 7 man size so we can practice right because it involves "guns". If that was the case then as Susan Storm stated there would be no Market for Green Army Men, Toy guns, Toy planes and Tanks. Parrents arent as much Drama Lamma as tourney types when it comes to these things. They know their kids can make educated decitions later on on life. Toys don't inflict pain on another persons. Impulse, if Paintball was done by touching some one with paintballs and popping them on them i'd agree. But since you have to Shoot to tag out your oponent then yeah is a sort of combat situation. If you look at in the sense with mil-sim markers,woods, and full bdu's yeah. But look at NPPL and PSP, I can't see in any way it represents combat. "He's hiding behind the dorito"  Instead of "ditch,foxhole" etc.

Woods brought us in to this great sport. But now we need to part  from it.

impulse! wrote: Susan Storm wrote:  What would you call woodsball OTHER than a war game/simulation? Playing tag with paintballs?

Except that it has nothing in common with tag?

 

Man Bites Dog wrote: Spec Ops isn't an actual military force.

Did anybody tell them?

impulse! wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Susan Storm wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Kill me. Kill me now. Tippmann announces a new gun that will likely lead to expansion of paintball into new markets, and strengthen the Tippmann brand in the process, and you are upset why? I don't like that the Army is directly involved in marketing a mil-sim gun as a promotion to put their "business" in young people's minds. I worked all last year trying to help put a positive image on paintball, and things like this only make it worse when a news station decides to do an expose on the game.  More than likely, it won't expand the market, only push more new players into non-profitable for local members of the paintball community renegade ball, with less safety. Not to mention the fact that it makes it even easier for a non-player to get his hands on a replica gun and use it for immature behavior like scaring people. Does the news ever care that the person wasn't even a player? No. Just that it was a paintball gun. Shame on the army for this tactic, and shame on Tippmann for stooping to this.

and EE, I don't think it's that we think it's going to turn kids into maniacs. It's more the fact that with the army branding any news coverage, good or bad, will probably mention a gun released in conjunction(though minimal I am sure) with the US army.

This is turn will make parents want their kids to play less, because it looks like we are out to do war games and train for the army. The other smaller side of the sport(Tournaments) works hard to stray from the killer mentality.

Right now the dude that owns the field I play for is having a hard time getting the town to allow him to expand his field from 5 man to 7 man size so we can practice right because it involves "guns".

Reb Cpl wrote: After all, if it has anything to do with the military, it HAS to be a recruiting and subversion scam right?

If something is designed/endorsed by the Army officially, and is marketed to a youth demographic, it is hard not to think it is for recruiting.

They didn't make America's Army because they thought it would be nice for kids to have a nifty video game.

Please note I am not on the same tract as USAF here. I am not in disagreement with the "direction" it will take paintball. Paintball is not seriouz bizness in my book, so I could care less if more people play outlaw ball. I play outlaw ball. I refuse to give swindling commercial fields a cent of my money. I also think the people who are so against paintball being associated with war games are pretty dumb. It is a game where people shoot stuff at other people, and when they get hit, they are out. The lines shouldn't need to be highlighted for you to see the game is one of combat simulation, no matter how hard you try to see it otherwise.

I also am not trying to stand on a soapbox. I don't think this gun is a ZOMG TRAVESTY.

I think it will probably be a solid entry level gun.

My issue is that it is a bit too connected with the Army for my tastes, and I think that the Army using product marketing is a bit sketchy.

usafpilot07 wrote: Susan Storm wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Kill me. Kill me now. Tippmann announces a new gun that will likely lead to expansion of paintball into new markets, and strengthen the Tippmann brand in the process, and you are upset why? I don't like that the Army is directly involved in marketing a mil-sim gun as a promotion to put their "business" in young people's minds. I worked all last year trying to help put a positive image on paintball, and things like this only make it worse when a news station decides to do an expose on the game.  More than likely, it won't expand the market, only push more new players into non-profitable for local members of the paintball community renegade ball, with less safety. Not to mention the fact that it makes it even easier for a non-player to get his hands on a replica gun and use it for immature behavior like scaring people. Does the news ever care that the person wasn't even a player? No. Just that it was a paintball gun. Shame on the army for this tactic, and shame on Tippmann for stooping to this.

Again, you're reading into it too deeply from where I stand.

Tippmann, I doubt, is in league with the Army in a secret master plan to subvert all 14 year old paintball players and con them into joining the military.

Wal*Mart sells camouflage T-shirts,  why not chastise them for promoting the military and believing that they're trying to get kids into wearing these clothes so they can join the army? After all, if it has anything to do with the military, it HAS to be a recruiting and subversion scam right?

Come on man.

As for your problem with delinquents having access to  replica markers, they're gonna use whatever the hell they can get their hands on, whether you're talking about an M4 knockup or a Talon that they dug out of a closet somewhere.

You're essentially demonizing any paintball company who doesn't make flashy metallic paint hoses, and staring down your nose at those of us who like the 'wargame' setting.

Climb off the pedestal and realize that there are many different facets to the game of paintball, and just because a company doesn't cater to yours, doesn't quite make them evil.

Reb Cpl wrote: Breath guys. Its a new paintball marker, little else.

with a fancy little US ARMY tag clearly printed on it. the 98c is an affordable, customizable marker too...I agree with USAF.

i played on a field in Oklahoma last week where the ref explained to the new kids that paintball was a war simulator, and he got all PO'd when i called him on it. He didn't have an answer to "so what happens when you die here? you get respawned? does that work in real life too?"