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GI JOES SON
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mack does have a point. MILES is more accurate than paintballs. even though you don't get hit it helps you figure out what you did wrong to an extent, but that will happen no matter how you train; you won't figure out how to fix every one of your problems with one way of training
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Mack
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MILES has a tendency to teach/reward some very bad practices in regards to cover vs. concealment. |
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carl_the_sniper
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What exactly is extreme about it? Extreme supports are supposed to be dangerous and have a high chance of injury. Paintball is neither.
The thing is, saying that skill is more important than equipment does't support that an argument to my point. A faster race car will probably not win the race with a crappy driver. That being said, having level equipment is certainly a defining part of a sport, definately one of the biggest. Without fulfilling that, it cannot be a sport. Capping speed is a step forward but nowhere near what is needed to make equipment fair. |
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jmac3
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If you are going to go the route of regulated equipment to define it as a sport, I really can not argue. I am going to say this anyway though.
All I can say to that is is PSP, MXL, AXBL, CXBL, and numerous local tournaments guns are capped to a 15 bps(changed this year ramp). Anyone playing in higher than a beginner division, made to introduce players where Tippmann's and Spyders are the norm, will at least have an Ion. These guns come equipped with a board capable of 1, 2, 3 trigger pull to 15 bps. I think even electro spyders are now equipped to ramp. I also have to say that the firepower isn't necessary to compete. I have won games with my Matrix having dirty and/or broken eyes. Anyone that shoots a Matrix knows that when the eyes aren't working the gun is capped at 8 BPS. A capable rate of fire with any gun. I have more, but I will add later time to go Edited by jmac3 - 09 February 2008 at 8:46pm |
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Evil Elvis
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How much "combat training" do your unit actually does? I rather train with Paintball than Blamks, MILES or other lame training tools that we had when in the Marines. Those training aids all they do is make people go thorugh the motions without knowing where the rounds are landing. I know range is a huge factor but for MOUT it's a prety decent simulator. |
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Skillet42565
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Paintball, in my opinion is a sport. It is a highly physical activity with a clear goal in mind. I would call it a more "extreme sport" if I were to call it anything though.
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carl_the_sniper
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The trend is not there yet. There are no rules requiring 15 BPS in lower levels of play. The question is no whenether paintball will be a sport in the future, it's whenether paintball is a sport right now. |
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Skillet42565
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I'm noticing a definite trend in the lower levels of play these days. Electros are getting cheaper and cheaper, and the playing field continues to get closer to ever. Practically EVERYONE can shoot a 15bps ramp now, unless they don't want to.
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carl_the_sniper
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True, and I made note of this. There are still many more things that would need to be regulated before this can be fulfuilled. I can list some but they aren't hard to think of. But at the lower levels is where the problem lies. Most other sports keep the field level even at the lower play levels (In fact, I can't think of one that doesn't) paintball does not. As far from the major leagues as you get, the less organixzed and fair the game becomes. |
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Snake6
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It is better than nothing, but still not my first, second or third choice. |
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Skillet42565
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In national tournaments paintball gear is regulated. Also, letting everyone do a 15 bps ramp levels the playing field substantially.
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carl_the_sniper
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One of the biggest reasons why paintball is not a sport is that often, the game is decided by player gear rather than player skill.
Every sport that I can think of off the top of my head regulates the equipment used by each team so that they are on equal ground and skill decides the victor. This is not done in paintball, even in the advanced levels but especially in the lower levels where gear control is often not present at all. Yes, there have some moves towards this but they are still far from the amount that is required to make both sides be on equal ground. |
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brihard
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For reasons of muscle memory I agree, but in some situations it's still better than nothing, or blanks. |
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jmac3
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Strongman, definitely a sport.
I'll agree with competitive eating, because I'm fat. There is no way I in hell I could anywhere near that much or fast. |
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Susan Storm
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I'm not sure I am ready to go that far, although IOC blessing certainly carries a fair amount of weight. Not everybody would consider curling a sport, for instance, or air rifle. Also curious how people feel about strongman contests and competitive eaters...? |
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jmac3
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Are you saying it is or isn't a sport? I'm pretty sure the only thing paintball doesn't have on that list is a single ball. Running and whatever else was mentioned is a sport. If it's in the olympics it is a "universally" recognized sport. |
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Snake6
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I would not want to use paintball as a training tool. Even the most accurate M16 milsim paintball marker handles completely different than the real weapon. I would use sim rounds over paintball rounds any day of the week. |
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Susan Storm
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Footraces and cross-country skiing are not sports? Where are the people that think these are not sports?
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brihard
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False. I have shot, and been shot with, 5.56mm simunition. They even have it belt fed for light machineguns. It's quite handy actually; no longer any need to swap out upper receivers. That said, paintball is loads cheaper, much easier to run safely in force on force scenarios, and easier to template safe training ranges for, so your mention of military training is still valid. |
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Tolgak
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Every game/activity you just mentioned is not universally recognized as sport, and that's where I believe the distinction lies between sport and game. You might as well call any game a sport if you're willing to rule out most of the distinctions I put up. If so, why then would you argue over the name if all competition is the same to you? Nobody argues that soccer, basketball, handball, hockey, rugby, tennis, water polo, or volleyball aren't sports. Nobody would ever rule those games out as non-sports. However, not everyone agrees that baseball, or skiing, or anything else you mentioned are sports. The same people that call chess a sport would not necessarily call auto racing a sport. However, pretty much everybody from all those fields would not argue that the games I listed in the previous paragraph are not sports. In terms of semantics and definitions, majority rule and impression is what defines the meaning and use of words. For words that describe a group, the categories that fall under said words are usually very similar to each other. Most games/hobbies/activities fall out of the realm of universally accepted sports, and thus would not be defined under the term sport. As for hockey, players leave the ice (as with most other games) for one of three reasons: Penalties, Injuries, and Dissensions. There is no mechanism of legal play that boots opposing players from the field in that fashion. |
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