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brihard
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For reasons of muscle memory I agree, but in some situations it's still better than nothing, or blanks. |
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carl_the_sniper
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One of the biggest reasons why paintball is not a sport is that often, the game is decided by player gear rather than player skill.
Every sport that I can think of off the top of my head regulates the equipment used by each team so that they are on equal ground and skill decides the victor. This is not done in paintball, even in the advanced levels but especially in the lower levels where gear control is often not present at all. Yes, there have some moves towards this but they are still far from the amount that is required to make both sides be on equal ground. |
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Skillet42565
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In national tournaments paintball gear is regulated. Also, letting everyone do a 15 bps ramp levels the playing field substantially.
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Snake6
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It is better than nothing, but still not my first, second or third choice. |
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carl_the_sniper
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True, and I made note of this. There are still many more things that would need to be regulated before this can be fulfuilled. I can list some but they aren't hard to think of. But at the lower levels is where the problem lies. Most other sports keep the field level even at the lower play levels (In fact, I can't think of one that doesn't) paintball does not. As far from the major leagues as you get, the less organixzed and fair the game becomes. |
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Skillet42565
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I'm noticing a definite trend in the lower levels of play these days. Electros are getting cheaper and cheaper, and the playing field continues to get closer to ever. Practically EVERYONE can shoot a 15bps ramp now, unless they don't want to.
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carl_the_sniper
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The trend is not there yet. There are no rules requiring 15 BPS in lower levels of play. The question is no whenether paintball will be a sport in the future, it's whenether paintball is a sport right now. |
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Skillet42565
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Paintball, in my opinion is a sport. It is a highly physical activity with a clear goal in mind. I would call it a more "extreme sport" if I were to call it anything though.
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Evil Elvis
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How much "combat training" do your unit actually does? I rather train with Paintball than Blamks, MILES or other lame training tools that we had when in the Marines. Those training aids all they do is make people go thorugh the motions without knowing where the rounds are landing. I know range is a huge factor but for MOUT it's a prety decent simulator. |
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jmac3
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If you are going to go the route of regulated equipment to define it as a sport, I really can not argue. I am going to say this anyway though.
All I can say to that is is PSP, MXL, AXBL, CXBL, and numerous local tournaments guns are capped to a 15 bps(changed this year ramp). Anyone playing in higher than a beginner division, made to introduce players where Tippmann's and Spyders are the norm, will at least have an Ion. These guns come equipped with a board capable of 1, 2, 3 trigger pull to 15 bps. I think even electro spyders are now equipped to ramp. I also have to say that the firepower isn't necessary to compete. I have won games with my Matrix having dirty and/or broken eyes. Anyone that shoots a Matrix knows that when the eyes aren't working the gun is capped at 8 BPS. A capable rate of fire with any gun. I have more, but I will add later time to go Edited by jmac3 - 09 February 2008 at 8:46pm |
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carl_the_sniper
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What exactly is extreme about it? Extreme supports are supposed to be dangerous and have a high chance of injury. Paintball is neither.
The thing is, saying that skill is more important than equipment does't support that an argument to my point. A faster race car will probably not win the race with a crappy driver. That being said, having level equipment is certainly a defining part of a sport, definately one of the biggest. Without fulfilling that, it cannot be a sport. Capping speed is a step forward but nowhere near what is needed to make equipment fair. |
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Mack
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MILES has a tendency to teach/reward some very bad practices in regards to cover vs. concealment. |
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GI JOES SON
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mack does have a point. MILES is more accurate than paintballs. even though you don't get hit it helps you figure out what you did wrong to an extent, but that will happen no matter how you train; you won't figure out how to fix every one of your problems with one way of training
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jmac3
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He said it teached bad practices....
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GI JOES SON
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i'm just straight up messed up tonight reading crap. its been too long since i've had a drink
i don't know how...paintball would too in a wide open enough setting. you can't shoot a paintball across a 500 foot open valley where you can reach with miles. also, miles can be attatched to various transpo and assault vehicles; sure you could use a paintball tank but it won't be the same as operating an M1 Abrahms . any training simulator is going to have its setbacks |
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Mack
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The use of MILES rewards (by allowing survival) the use of cover (actually concealment) that wouldn't stop real rounds. People who get used to this develop tactical movement habits that work in exercises but could get them killed in a real engagement.
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GI JOES SON
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yeah, i understand what you mean. like i said, no one training method will give you the best training. I'm a personal fan of MOUT training with detergent rounds...its a standard shell with gun powder in it and instead of a lead round, its a tiny pellet filled with laundry detergent. no idea why that was picked, maybe consistency. either way, it leaves welts like you wouldn't believe, although it allows use of the actual weapons like miles does.
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Mack
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Are you referring to simunitions? If so, I definitely do believe in the welts it can leave. |
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Evil Elvis
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So back on Topic.
My Alpha Black arrived today and I quickly assembled it and man it feels solid. Only complaint so far was the gold made in China Sticker on the grip but that was quickly removed. The Stock is real easy to attach. The elbow is identical to the Model 98 Elbow. The gun cycles wonderfull. As cold as it was outside I was able to fire off a few round. the Stock barrel isnt soo bad but then again I am not in Optimum temperatures to test with C02. The Stock is very secure which was my main concern. I have since then replaced the Plastic Tube for an old AirrTipps tube with a built in RVA. So now it's practical and tactical. I'll take some Eye Candy pictures tonight. |
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Evil Elvis
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