home defense question.

Snake, why should it die if it still polite and reasonable? I'm pretty sure it is on it's way out now anyhow. Pretty much everything has been said.

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Christ on a stick. This thread will not die.

Jesus Christ monkey balls.

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On a home defense related note, I just found out that a convicted rapist was released from prison and now lives on my street. I knew the guy before he went to jail for sodomizing his daughter, and he was a scumbag then, and odds are, he's no prize now. Either way, I'd like my wife to be familiar with some of the more destructive members of my collection.
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My wife knows how to use everything I have because of the same reason, Family Watch warns me about new arrivals every week.

If you've got more than one floor, barring the second story may not be necessary provided you don't leave ladders hanging around out in the open. You can buy evacuation ladders that you can escape out a second story window if necessary. Or, I could link you to a method of bailing out of a second story window that they taught us in fire school.

On a home defense related note, I just found out that a convicted rapist was released from prison and now lives on my street. I knew the guy before he went to jail for sodomizing his daughter, and he was a scumbag then, and odds are, he's no prize now. Either way, I'd like my wife to be familiar with some of the more destructive members of my collection.

Thats a really good point. Because most of our houses are so equipped it's perfectly normal for people to to answer intercoms. The neighbours i invite over for braai's all answer the gate via the intercom and no hard feeling either way.

I do miss the sense of community unfenced properties encourages, and most new homes are built in housing complexes that have one point security at the access gate. But big child friendly gardens and nice large houses are mainly in older areas with fenced individual properties.

One of the sad things is our insurance companies all demand gates on all doors, bars on all windows and an alarm connected to a remote monitoring office and armed response. Otherwise no conver. The better ones offer good discounts on your rates and prices for the equipment. But none of them give any discount if you are actually trained to protect yourself.

I get a damn good discount on my motor insurance for having advanced driver courses up the ying yang, but nothing because i'm police level qualified on pistols rifles and shotguns. Go figure.

Infact i'm higher that Patrol, i'm Entry qualified on shotguns and rifles. Thats close to SWAT levels of proficiency, but not quite the same.

not really. All the stuff on my house is easily available and for sale in the states.

I honestly believe that anyone who wants lethal force as part of their inventory owes it to themselves to make it as hard as is reasonably possible for some stranger to get into their house. It'll cost a little more than just buying the first handgun you come across, but it will prevent things like accidently shooting the neighbour who came home too drunk to recognise his own house.

Like i said a handfull of pages ago when Susan said many owner in the states take a jump from not locking their doors to buying a gun and missing every step in between, that is both suprising and wrong. And i do not advocate that at all. Especially in states with castle laws and no retreat clauses you need to make damn sure that anyone inside your house can only have gotten there by being invited, or having gone to a lot of effort to circumvent your preventative measures.

I do admit that I am exposed to security concerns more than your average American or Canadian but that doesn't mean they can't reach the same conclusions and make the same purchases. It is a little out the box, but it is completely logical when you think about it. You want protection from people coming inside your house? Have you done anything to prevent them? Can you install another buffer layer the make unauthorired access harder? Have you got anything warning you is they do get in so they can't suprise you? Is there some method of alerting the authorities?

Once you've made it as reasonably hard as you can for a badguy to be there, then start working on what to do if they get there anyway. Is your weapon effective? Is it reliable? Is it easy to use under stress? Can you identify your target? What are the dangers of using that weapon in your house?

This is where i'll happily admit there is some seperation from my advice and guys living elsewhere where houses are constructed differently. Even though i know many US houses are aluminium siding and dry wall construction, very few South African homes are built like that. Most of my interior walls are single brick and mortar, while some load bearing ones and all external walls are double layer.

I try to make allowances for that when i suggest house defence guns, but like it was shown, i was mistaken about the 223,s performance though drywall. Of course the same website that proved me wrong also said most handgun rounds and some shotgun rounds did the same thing as the 223,s so it is down to personal taste. I'm more confident of hits and first round stops with a rifle over pistols and shotguns.

It is relatively safe where i live. Crime is not endemic like in some countries, nor as rife as in the low cost housing areas. However that does not mean it'll never happen. It just means when it does, you end up suprised by it. The violence in home invasions is on the rise globally and locally it has sky rocketed. If you have female members of your family, you can more or less expect them to be raped, you can more or less expect to be assaulted, there is a chance they'll try murder you and it is definate they'll steal all your stuff.

Now the CHANCES of this happening are low, but it is like winning the Lottery. Your chances are low but if it does happen it ALL happens. I'll hedge my bets thanks. People buy multiple Lottery tickets don't they? I'll take multiple precautions from preventative measures to active resistance.

Ps my damn hard drive crashed last night, so i'm using my phone again. Please excuse any bad typing, predictive text typo's and the like.

Susan Storm wrote: carl_the_sniper wrote: Kayback: Protecting yourself from raptors or did you recently move to the ghettos of Somalia? That kind of setup, with walls and door/window grates, is standard in large parts of the world.  We North America types are spoiled that way. I am actually surprised he doesn't have spikes on top of his wall.  He must live in a nice part of town.

Oh crap, I forgot that he actually does live in South Africa.

(I thought it was relatively safe?)

Thanks Susan. Yeah it's typical for many places and like you said, i live in a good part of town. Most other houses have spikes, razor wire or electrified fencing on top of the walls.

IMHO those things aren't actually worth the expense, and they are overly ugly. I can live with a wall because it also adds to my privacy, but wire? No thanks.

However like I have said before, you can't end up inside my house by accident and you'd have to have gone to a lot of trouble getting in. In which case if you are inside and you are posing a threat I'll have no qualms pulling the trigger, I've done enough to keep you out. And because of our house construction I'd have no issues using a 223 or 30 carbine.

^^^ Somalian ghetto raptor zombie ninja pirates.