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phantomwes
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Could have ended this in the 2nd post , Va. is not a right to carry state. You have to get a Concealed Handgun Permit to carry. and if an attacker has a melee weapon ie a knife , bat , sharp freakin spoon , and is within 10 ft. you can shoot him. Your prolly gonna get stabed though lol. I carry a Springfield armory .40 XD sub-compact with Powerball ammo , and i got a beretta .22 jetfire in the night stand , a ruger 10/22 behind the bed , both loaded with Quick shock ammo , and a .410 shot gun in the closet with good ol fashioned 00 Buckshot in it. All of this ammo if ever used to defend yourself is considered Lethal Ammo , so that looks bad on you , But as the saying goes , Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Kayback
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I know it's a bit of a necro post, but ah well. From the street. From the driveway Front door Inside shot of the back yard And house has a coulpe of these things giving movement detection over areas. I forgot to get a pic of the window vibration alarms, but oh well. Interestingly though I was lookin at the Box Of Truth stuff again and found this gem http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm Every thing that's been suggested on this topic so far penetrates all 4 walls. Except birdshot. But that might not stopt he badguy. I was wrong about the M193 round, like I said earlier that's probably because of my experience from housed made out of bricks and mortar. KBK |
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Kayback
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True, but pistols are low powered rounds. They don't tear up the tissue as much as high powered rifle rounds do. They are more about poking holes into things than destroying organs. Rifles rip and tear and literally destroy tissue. Pistols don't. Pistols with limited penetrating power might not reach said organs. A rough guide of 8-12 inches of penetration in ballistic gelatine is whats given as needed in the penetration department. This allows things like shooting through the badguys arms and still getting deep enough into the body to cause vital damage. Things like Glasers are meant to be low penetration, low ricochet and meant to hit like a bomb. They don't. Something as simple as an arm in the wrong place and your Glaser is expended. A solid round would carry on through. True you have injured the target, but it most likely isn't enough to stop the attack.
No, actually. Pistol rounds can penetrate deeper than some rifle rounds. Especially if you are running frangible or hollow point rifle ammo. Drywall might not slow it down, but a .223 into a torso probably wont exit in one piece, or with enough energy to damage another person seriously. A 9x19mm is quite capable of making through and through shots. Longer rounds are actually less stable than the shorter rounds. When a round hits and the gyroscopic effect the rifling puts on it isn't in play any more, the heavier end will end up going forwards. There is very little difference between the back end and the front end of a pistol round. Even if it does tumble, the side of the round is pretty similar to the front of the round. There is a vast difference in a rifle round, and this is generally why a rifle round will break up, if you are using the right ammo. Taken from P&S News
The penetration for pistol JHP's AFTER hitting the wall is deeper yes. Drywall fills up the JHP's expansion hole, basically turning it into a FMJ or Round Nosed round. KBK |
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rednekk98
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I've had to wake up from a dead sleep, retrieve a firearm, and go shoot coyotes(once I only managed to don a towel, which I lost as I fired) on several occasions. Going from a sound sleep to dealing with a complicated situation involving your dog, your sister, and a coyote all within 20 feet of of each other is quite the mental load to bear 30 seconds after you were humping a supermodel in your dreams. Trying to load a shotgun while a bear is charging down a hill at you is about as scary of a situation I've come across in daylight. Combining adrenalin with confusion as one would in a home-invasion situation is a nightmare situation I hope never to encounter. Things have a way of going wrong when you dont expect to have to grab a gun, and stuff gets piled in front of the gun cabinet and flashlights dont get returned to the top of it. These things further complicate situations.
To be as safe as possible our home defense weapons will be loaded with ammunition that has a low probability of ricochet and over-penetration of wall material. Two of our bedroom are on the second floor, one is in the basement, I'm not running away unless everyone is out of the house. My first line of defense is my cell phone, which is always charged and within easy reach of my bed, my second is a 12 gauge, secured to my bed with a cable lock(keys are always within reach) behind my phone is one round of #4 plated turkey shot for coyotes or an intruder(unlikely) that I can drop straight in the breach, and five rounds of #4 buck further back on the shelf. I would choose a long gun in almost every circumstance since I have some knowledge of weapons retention with one, I do not know weapons retention techniques for pistols. Home invasions are on the rise, and most of the reports of those crimes I have come across have been multiple intruders, usually armed with firearms. This may be because those types of crimes get more press, but that seems to be the trend. As stated, these tend to be in nicer areas with a ghetto close by. I've heard of more than one instance of apartments full of college students being targeted for supposed drugs and cash. When someone plans on doing a home invasion they look for people with money who aren't likely to defend themselves. If I could afford an AR-15 I'd have one and a mag full of ballistic tips close to be bed instead of the shotgun. In the unlikely event I were to ever get into a gunfight with even two intruders with my shotgun I'd be lucky to empty it before getting killed. People forget to cycle the action on pumps shooting at deer for gods sake. I'm no expert ninja. I have very basic self defense skills(MCMAP tan belt, meaning I could fight my way out of a wet paper bag) and a few firearms courses, including the very basic pistol course that would make me eligible for a CCW permit in this state. I think I'm just qualified enough to avoid shooting myself or an innocent. I still think a gun is the best option in a home-invasion situation. Your non-lethal options are calling the police, and a verbal warning that you are armed. I would think that would be sufficient. I've been tear gassed before and have heard mace is worse. CS sucks enough as it is. If you want to try that approach, get a can of bear mace and a military surplus gas mask or at least some goggles to keep it out of your eyes. You can don a gas mask in <10 seconds. Hang it from your bedpost. Kimber makes a version that is an irritant gel that looks to have promise. Mace wont stop everybody and may just make people angry and blind you in the process. As for weapons mounted lights, train yourself to know the spread of the beam, you should not be pointing a firearm at something then identifying it. Shine it close enough to illuminate the thread. If I were to go with a pistol I'd have a small flashlight with an endcap switch handy, but not attached. |
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X-51
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The g3 is fine with iron sights, why they added the scopes is beyond me, I was wasting insurgents with it on single player.
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brihard
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I'm gonna add something to the original conversation here.
Anyone seriously considering owning a firearm for the purpose of self defense NEEDS to buy or borrow a copy of On Combat and On Killing, both by Col. Dave Grossman. He'sa doctor of psychology who is also a former U.S. Army Ranger, and ahs assembled what is generally considered the authoritative work on the psychology and physiology of deadly force situations. If you don't understand what can and probably will happen to your body and mind when you find yourself facing the prospect of using lethal force, you stand a much greater chance of being ineffective and not protecting what it is you need to protect- be it your home, your person, or your family. Most people tend to eschew book knowledge for things like this, but these two books should be mandatory reading for anybody buying a gun. I've never yet met any member of the armed forces or any law enforcement officer who has read these books and doesn't think of highly of them as I do. Both books for $36 from Amazon. Much more valuable than the equivalent cost in ammunition and accessories. |
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jmac3
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It carries over to the next spawn. I always thought it didn't.
If you do what I said, and die while it's in the air before you get another airstrike/heli then you won't get them. |
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reifidom
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But you do have to trigger it before you die right? It doesn't carry over to a new spawn does it? I've never tried.
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jmac3
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As for the chopper.
The way to do it is get it. Wait until you die and then let the chopper go. It will start another streak and you can do an airstrike while your chopper is up and get another chopper. |
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reifidom
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Yeah, I tried the scope. Robs the weapon of all that close-up glory. Red-dot is just right. |
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Roll Tide
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It's 7. And the martyrdom perk ruins the game. G3 ftw. It sucks with the scope though.
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reifidom
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Yep, seven. At least on PS3. Haven't played on 360.
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PaiNTbALLfReNzY
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Is it 7 streak for the chopper? Could have sworn it was 6. It's been awhile since I've played. |
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reifidom
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It seems that most of the time when I get a five-streak and go to call in the airstrike that I get gunned down before I can finish, either because I had to wait until another airstrike cleared and I am found and shot, or I'm looking at the map for a few moments too long. When I make a seven-streak it's so much easier to call in the chopper.
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PaiNTbALLfReNzY
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Hopefully you get robbed by a gang of burglars. Kill 6 and call in a helicopter. A Super Cobra would be a great home defense weapon. |
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reifidom
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Way too common in free-for-all games. And it seems that sometimes, even when I sprint away the moment they drop, the blast kills me, even with no previous damage. In free-for-all I prefer to take a silenced smg of some kind, along with Bandolier, UAV Jammer, and Extreme Conditioning. I stay entirely off the map at all times, and I can run down people from behind. In standard games I love the G3, red-dot sight. Edited by reifidom - 11 April 2008 at 1:15pm |
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Snake6.
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The good old Mk19. My favorite. Edited by Snake6. - 11 April 2008 at 1:00pm |
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evillepaintball
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ah, martyrnub |
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reifidom
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I won't use that on principle. I hate it! My friend is great at dropping grenades before he dies. It's an art. But to have it done automatically? Bah! (This perk kills me a lot and I'm bitter. lol) |
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