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Bunkered
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Truf. Dumbasses always ruin everything for the rest of us. |
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Man Bites Dog
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Oh I agree completely. The problem is the amount of gun owners in America that actually do that. |
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Bunkered
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Which is why you lock them in a gun-safe that's bolted to the floor.
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Man Bites Dog
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Not just that, but a gun is by far one of the less effective measures of home defense when you compare it to other preventative measures. This is simply because there are few situations where a gun will really be the deciding factor. It is completely situational. It would have to be a case where you are on one end of your home, and you have enough time to retrieve your firearm and load it, and then properly use it. While situations where this is the case could very well arise, there are a ton of preventive measures that are much, much better than simply relying on a firearm to keep a home safe. Like EE said, a loud alarm system with plenty of notification of the alarm outside the house is key. Keeping it well lit on the outside with simple, cheap motion detection lights prevents invisible entry. Strong locks on doors and visable locks on windows makes forced entry harder. All of those are by far more effective than a gun. Not to mention, more burglaries occur when the house is empty than when the owners are home, which means those guns you are getting have a bad chance of winding up in the hands of criminals and perpetuating the gun problem in America. If you are going to get a firearm for home defense, nothing is better than a basic pump-action shotgun. The one thing that a shotgun has going for it over a pistol is the sound effect. The cocking of a pump-action shotgun is usually going to be enough for an intruder to think "Hey, maybe this is not such a good idea." Edited by Man Bites Dog - 06 April 2008 at 2:14pm |
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brihard
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A gun should not be your one and only defencive measure in a house- but if everything else fails, it's the best last chance you have. |
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carl_the_sniper
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chaibill
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Just Use a good security system. Maybe set up some sort of "strong room" in your house. Or set up your master bed room with a steel door that looks like wood. If you have small children and they see you kill some one that might be really bad for them psychologically. Maybe even your self. And most burglars will come in when you are not home so they will take all your nice new guns and maybe kill some one with them at a later time. And with that new idea to serial number stamp the cartage when fired you might be blamed in a civil case just for owning a fire arm and letting it get stolen. Then you can sew your security provider for not getting the police there fast enough and they can sew the police for not responding fast enough.
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.357 Magnum
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Of course it's a .45 thats one of my favorite pistol rounds.... But it two will have no issue going through walls. |
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Kristofer
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bolt would you care if i ran around with a gun? haha
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Bolt3
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Judging by most of your comments on the matter, I hope NONE of you own guns.
Don't need more idiots running around with them. |
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Lightningbolt
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EvilElvis makes some great points here. Here in Michigan if you shoot someone in self defense in your home there's a very high probability that you'll be prosecuted. The first option is to run. My buddy is looking into the Mossberg can thing for home defense for he and his wife. He was one of those "no need to arm oneself" people until his neighborhood started getting break-ins. Take an NRA firearms safety course from a reputable facility. The low priced courses at our largest range is a 1 day joke program. Look for a course that lasts a week or 2 and goes the extra mile by having speakers from the judicial system and full days dedicated to range time. It's probably very tough to find a good place to get a complete course. I've found the "I've got a cop buddy that trains for CCW" are just get rich quick schemes. Don't get me wrong, alot of those guys are my friends.
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Kristofer
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haha yeah EE you are dead on about the restricted FID card for mace. i just buy mine online, or in new hampshire. i should get that card though. and my class A our CCP. just to have it. i wont be getting a pistol though.i'd like a .22 rifle to play with.
get this weapon for home defense... SPringfield Armory |
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DeTrevni
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Never said you didn't.
Judging from your general attitude in these kinds of threads, sometimes I wonder...
K. And if a person wants a gun for home security, how does this affect you? If he has a gun and never has to use it (other than for recreation), then what harm can come out of it? It takes a LOT of personal fortification to end someone's life. I'm sure if he has the option, he won't use the gun. If he feels more secure with a last line of defense, so be it. |
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evillepaintball
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that was what i was getting at.
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carl_the_sniper
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I love guns. The kkk thing was obviously a joke. I am just against the idea of everyone needing a gun to protect themselves when there are so many better ways for home security and protection.
Actually, you are quite backwards on that one. If you are looking for light restrictions on firearms for self defense, you are in the right place. |
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evillepaintball
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why the hell would i do a thing like that? becuase of your ignorantly liberal drinking laws? your lack of resolve on the cuban trade embargo? the only reason i can think of to move to canada is your acceptance of firearms for the purpose of defense in case the police are not sufficient. |
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DeTrevni
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Carl, really. Is the constant, condescending anti-gun BS necessary? Almost every thread I've seen that has to do with guns, you're the first in with some sort of "Redneck/NRA/KKK" comment. We get it. You don't like the idea of home-defense weaponry. If you haven't noticed, not one person who's thread has had the pleasure of the grace of your presence has cared. We won't change your mind, and indeed we aren't trying to. And in turn you won't change ours, so stop trying. Will you take what I wrote seriously? Probably not. Do I care that you don't care? No. I'm just tired of every firearms thread becoming an argument over the 2nd amendment that you started, which ironically doesn't even concern you.
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Bunkered
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That's like saying, "The chances of me crashing my car are so slim that I'm not going to wear my seatbelt." |
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Bunkered
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Better safe than sorry. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Just to throw a few good cliches out there. |
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gardy90
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sounds like a plan
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