home defense question.

It's 7. And the martyrdom perk ruins the game. G3 ftw. It sucks with the scope though.

As for the chopper.

The way to do it is get it. Wait until you die and then let the chopper go. It will start another streak and you can do an airstrike while your chopper is up and get another chopper.

It carries over to the next spawn. I always thought it didn't.

If you do what I said, and die while it's in the air before you get another airstrike/heli then you won't get them.

Rottergotterdam wrote: ¤ Råp¡Ð F¡rè ¤ wrote: QFT. And #2, so why even bother with deep penetrating rounds? So you'd be fine with a loved one being shot, as long as they don't die? The pain and suffering they would endure isn't significant? And anyways, "stuff" happens. Why risk it? Because...uh, with a handgun, the only way to kill someone is to reach vital, blood-bearing organs and cause rapid blood loss (unless you hit them in the head, which you probably will not do with a handgun under those conditions) Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's sort of the point with any gun, to produce bloodloss by striking or vital organ or shredding enough tissue to prevent blood from going to those vital organs. And again, you're inside your house. Theres no need for deep penetrating rounds, especially when you consider how thin drywall is. You have no clue about what you are talking about, do you? Any bullet will penetrate drywall, from a soft-nose .22 to a 12 gauge (birdshot may not, but there are reported incidencts of birdshot not killing humans from point blank in the chest). In fact, a .22 will pierce 5-6 walls. But a short pistol bullet without as much gunpowder as a rifle round is going to stop a lot quicker once it goes into someone.

[/QUOTE]Half of your arguments don't even make sense.

I've had to wake up from a dead sleep, retrieve a firearm, and go shoot coyotes(once I only managed to don a towel, which I lost as I fired) on several occasions. Going from a sound sleep to dealing with a complicated situation involving your dog, your sister, and a coyote all within 20 feet of of each other is quite the mental load to bear 30 seconds after you were humping a supermodel in your dreams. Trying to load a shotgun while a bear is charging down a hill at you is about as scary of a situation I've come across in daylight. Combining adrenalin with confusion as one would in a home-invasion situation is a nightmare situation I hope never to encounter. Things have a way of going wrong when you dont expect to have to grab a gun, and stuff gets piled in front of the gun cabinet and flashlights dont get returned to the top of it. These things further complicate situations.

To be as safe as possible our home defense weapons will be loaded with ammunition that has a low probability of ricochet and over-penetration of wall material. Two  of our bedroom are on the second floor, one is in the basement, I'm not running away unless everyone is out of the house.

My first line of defense is my cell phone, which is always charged and within easy reach of my bed, my second is a 12 gauge, secured to my bed with a cable lock(keys are always within reach) behind my phone is one round of #4 plated turkey shot for coyotes or an intruder(unlikely) that I can drop straight in the breach, and five rounds of #4 buck further back on the shelf. I would choose a long gun in almost every circumstance since I have some knowledge of weapons retention with one, I do not know weapons retention techniques for pistols.

Home invasions are on the rise, and most of the reports of those crimes I have come across have been multiple intruders, usually armed with firearms. This may be because those types of crimes get more press, but that seems to be the trend. As stated, these tend to be in nicer areas with a ghetto close by. I've heard of more than one instance of apartments full of college students being targeted for supposed drugs and cash. When someone plans on doing a home invasion they look for people with money who aren't likely to defend themselves.

If I could afford an AR-15 I'd have one and a mag full of ballistic tips close to be bed instead of the shotgun. In the unlikely event I were to ever get into a gunfight with even two intruders with my shotgun I'd be lucky to empty it before getting killed. People forget to cycle the action on pumps shooting at deer for gods sake.

I'm no expert ninja. I have very basic self defense skills(MCMAP tan belt, meaning I could fight my way out of a wet paper bag) and a few firearms courses, including the very basic pistol course that would make me eligible for a CCW permit in this state. I think I'm just qualified enough to avoid shooting myself or an innocent. I still think a gun is the best option in a home-invasion situation. Your non-lethal options are calling the police, and a verbal warning that you are armed. I would think that would be sufficient. I've been tear gassed before and have heard mace is worse. CS sucks enough as it is. If you want to try that approach, get a can of bear mace and a military surplus gas mask or at least some goggles to keep it out of your eyes. You can don a gas mask in <10 seconds. Hang it from your bedpost. Kimber makes a version that is an irritant gel that looks to have promise. Mace wont stop everybody and may just make people angry and blind you in the process.

As for weapons mounted lights, train yourself to know the spread of the beam, you should not be pointing a firearm at something then identifying it. Shine it close enough to illuminate the thread. If I were to go with a pistol I'd have a small flashlight with an endcap switch handy, but not attached.

merc wrote: front from the street... all the talk about preventive measures just got an image in my head and want to see how decked out your house really is.

I know it's a bit of a necro post, but ah well.

From the street.


From the driveway


Front door


Inside shot of the back yard


And house has a coulpe of these things giving movement detection over areas.


I forgot to get a pic of the window vibration alarms, but oh well.

Interestingly though I was lookin at the Box Of Truth stuff again and found this gem

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

Every thing that's been suggested on this topic so far penetrates all 4 walls. Except birdshot. But that might not stopt he badguy. I was wrong about the M193 round, like I said earlier that's probably because of my experience from housed made out of bricks and mortar.

KBK

Kayback:

Protecting yourself from raptors or did you recently move to the ghettos of Somalia?

carl_the_sniper wrote: Kayback: Protecting yourself from raptors or did you recently move to the ghettos of Somalia?

That kind of setup, with walls and door/window grates, is standard in large parts of the world.  We North America types are spoiled that way.

I am actually surprised he doesn't have spikes on top of his wall.  He must live in a nice part of town.

phantomwes wrote: Could have ended this in the 2nd post , Va. is not a right to carry state. You have to get a Concealed Handgun Permit to carry.

Actually... no.

In VA, if you're 18 or over, you can OPEN carry... no permit required.

You need the CHP only for concealed carry.

Skipped the 13 pages prior to this... so won't bother jumping in on any of the discussion... but did feel the need to make this one correction.

Kayback wrote: However like I have said before, you can't end up inside my house by accident

Thus the disconnect between your situation and the advice you give, as compared to someone living in the United States.