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Reb Cpl
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And it probably isn't. But it's still illegal. Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing. Speed limit? That's dumb. I can go 80 safely, so I will. - It doesn't work that way. Obey the law, and do your damnedest to legitimately CHANGE it. There's where your results will come from. |
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Benjichang
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I know its hard....but try to be civil now and again.
Edited by Reb Cpl - 26 March 2009 at 11:50am |
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FreeEnterprise
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God
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I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one. Edited by God - 26 March 2009 at 12:31pm |
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stratoaxe
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Wow I actually agree with FE on this one, not cool.
I actually was a pretty frequent smoker for a while, but as far as the morality involved, I think morals can be attached to anything that's illegal. It's the basic element of society-in fact, I think this goes back to the religious discussion from the past couple of days. Remember, how that you don't need a higher power for morality, because people can be trusted to follow their own moral compass in society? T
The pot issue is a funny one, because again, even though I did it, I do feel that as long as it's illegal it is a moral issue. I think if you want to do it, and you can get away with it, more power to you, but you can't deny FE's observation of relative morality, because I do believe it applies here.
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Reb Cpl
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You're talking about the laws that taxed and governed an entire 'nation' of people. These laws were enough to offend the vast, overwhelming majority of the citizens of the American colonies to the point where they activated and did something about it. Now look at weed. Are you telling me that protesting its illegitimacy by sneaking around in back alleys and faking medical conditions is paramount going to war over such things as taxation without representation and nation wide exploitation? |
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Eville
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are you saying Rosa Parks was immoral for sitting at the front of the bus? |
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stratoaxe
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Yup, because the fight for african american rights = scoring some green.
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Eville
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it was illegal and she did it anyway just shows how perfect man's laws are. Edited by Eville - 26 March 2009 at 1:08pm |
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stratoaxe
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Gah, silly Tippmann forum, double posting me... I see your point, but it's kind of weak. FE's point was that choosing to smoke weed was relative morality.
In other words, my moral compass tells me not to break the law unless it's something I want to do.
The civil rights movement was about fighting for rights that were legal for some, not for others. That was inequality. Pot is illegal for everyone, regardless. Edited by stratoaxe - 26 March 2009 at 1:11pm |
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wut? |
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oldpbnoob
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So driving 60 in a 55 zone, but not smoking pot because it's illegal is selective morality as well right? Guess the morality police never get speeding tickets?
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FreeEnterprise
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speeding "fines" have little affect on your future (cept higher insurance premiums).
Same can't be said for drug convictions, but I'm sure a bunch of dummies on this board will get the "choice" to find that out in the future... http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/471/drug_offenders_lose_federal_benefits
"Some 15 to 20 million people have been arrested on drug charges and subjected to the tender mercies of the criminal justice system in the past two decades. But, thanks to congressional drug warriors, the punishments drug offenders face often extend far beyond the prison walls or the parole officer's office. A number of federal laws ostensibly aimed at reducing drug use block people with drug convictions from gaining access to federal benefits and services."
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oldpbnoob
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But you are still breaking the law, correct? So it is still selective morality. So is working jobs under the table and not paying taxes. Technically, it's tax fraud, which is illegal. Selling all this garage sale goodies and not reporting it as income is most likely also technically breaking the law. A vast majority of us suffer from selective morality, let's all be a little less hypocritical.
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Reb Cpl
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Mixing morality with legality makes one look foolish.
There are many laws which are silly. Often times, breaking laws or rules might be the moral thing to do. Man is an imperfect being, completely incapable of aligning earthly laws with the more complex idea of morality. Does smoking weed without a prescription mean you're breaking a law. Yes. Does it mean that you're violating a moral code? It depends. Does your personal morality fall in line with the letter of the man-made law? If so, then yes, smoking weed illegally is immoral. However, its entirely possible that your moral ideology is a little more complex than that- perhaps you're more concerned with the well being of others, and as long as you're not hurting anyone by disobeying man's silly little laws, then you're good. To reiterate the point, not all things moral are legal. Not all things legal are moral. Of course it entirely depends on your own definition of morality. FE might say that smoking weed is illegal, therefore immoral. I might say that as long as nobody is being harmed by the act, smoking weed is moronic, illegal and wrong- but certainly not immoral. To each his own interpretation. You'll find out how right you were when your number is up. |
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I like this mentality that if you think the legal status of marijuana should be challenged, you must be some kind of reefer madness stoner pothead kid or something.
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Reb Cpl
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Fair enough. Let me revise my statement with the addition of one word, which should legitimize it.
"Breaking a petty law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing" Trying to tie the American revolution to legalizing marijuana is a stretch no matter how you slice it. I understand the numbers, but in terms of the gravity of the situations at hand- they don't compare. On one hand you're talking about the situations which governed the lives of a (to be) nation. On the other hand, you're talking about a recreational drug. It's like saying that we should legalize heroine because the civil rights movement worked. And just because the topic is being discussed doesn't really mean that we're any closer to legalizing it. Falsifying medical claims to get your hands on the stuff is a reality, and plenty of people know that. Until that sort of thing stops, until the image of the marijuana smoker can no longer be tied to such things as defrauding the health care system and screwing the tax payers who are responsible for paying for this 'treatment' you've got a better chance of building a snowman in Honolulu than you do of seeing marijuana legalized. Its been given a stigma, perhaps unfairly, I don't know. the only information I have is the smokers telling me its not that bad, and everyone else saying it is. Until that stigma can be erased, which won't happen as long as there are people willing to cheat the health care system- keep the shades drawn. |
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Reb Cpl
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To clear the air (haha) I'll reiterate, I couldn't give a rats hind end if it becomes legal, illegal, or all blasted straight to the moon. All I'm saying is that as long as it is illegal, the distribution of it through medical means needs to be much more tightly controlled. |
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stratoaxe
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Sure is. I'm not saying (don't about FE, he went off on something completely different) that I've never practiced selective morality, I'm saying that it is what it is.
Pot is a touchy subject, because of selective morality. It's twofold-
1-Pot in essence should be legal. I think we can all (with the possible exception of FE :P) agree on that. But that leads me to...
2-Therefore it is my right to bypass that law based upon my personal moral idealogy.
Same with speed limits, seat belts, handicapped zones, or if you want to go into the big times, pirating, theft, etc etc
Fighting for your right to smoke pot is not selective morality, it's protest. But when you break the law you're fighting to have turned back, you step into selective morality.
Rosa Parks fought the law in the only way she knew how. The difference is that smoking pot and obtaining it illegally (especially as minor) actually hurts your cause, and gives people like FE more ammo for their war on irresponsible potheads.
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