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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

"My brother, who started off with pot, and then moved on to the more hardcore drugs, disappeared for 2 years."While maybe not intentional, this alluded to the gateway theory (IMHO)


Well your opinion is wrong.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Everything is ok in moderation, except smoking.


So you are cool with marijuana used in other ways?

Quote I have never denied the bad aspects to alcohol, or any other drug for that matter.


True, but you also have not given any justification as to why it is the other drugs get to be legal while marijuana gets to be illegal.

Quote same as sex with sex addicts.


So should sex be illegal?

One of your justifications of keeping marijuana illegal seems to be that it can be psychologically addictive. Sec can also be. So we should make sex illegal.


Quote I'll take his word over any pro-legalization persons word on the matter any day.


What about scientist's words?


Quote Alcohol isn't much better


So, in a theoretical existence, if legislation was to be sent to vote that alcohol could be made illegal, would you vote for it?
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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

PB go pass out for 6 more pages

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I've worked as a pharmacy technician for the past 2 years and have filled many prescriptions of Marinol, which is synthetic THC used primarily to combat nausea and vomiting for cancer patients on chemotherapy. I have no problem dispensing this as its been prescribed by a doctor and is federally regulated. However, smoking marijuana for medical use is not a good way to administer doses as it is really hard to get consistant, regulated doses.

Medical marijuana for insomnia is total crap. Take some of the numerous regular sleeping aids. OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW LOL!


And BTW, wasnt it you who not too long ago said you were giving up on weed? Glad thats going well for you,

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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:


Medical marijuana for insomnia is total crap. Take some of the numerous regular sleeping aids. OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW LOL!


I agree with you there.
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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

I've worked as a pharmacy technician for the past 2 years and have filled many prescriptions of Marinol, which is synthetic THC used primarily to combat nausea and vomiting for cancer patients on chemotherapy. I have no problem dispensing this as its been prescribed by a doctor and is federally regulated. However, smoking marijuana for medical use is not a good way to administer doses as it is really hard to get consistant, regulated doses.

Medical marijuana for insomnia is total crap. Take some of the numerous regular sleeping aids. OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW LOL!


And BTW, wasnt it you who not too long ago said you were giving up on weed? Glad thats going well for you,



I gave up hard drugs & alcohol.  The only thing i've done in 2009 is marijuana.


And marijuana is amazing for curing insomnia.....


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I suppose your doctor has already prescribed you things such as Ambien, Lunesta, Rozerem, Dalmane, and you've tried the numerous OTC sleep aids to no avail?
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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

I suppose your doctor has already prescribed you things such as Ambien, Lunesta, Rozerem, Dalmane, and you've tried the numerous OTC sleep aids to no avail?


I'm not too sure why you are picking a fight but I'll respond.

My primary diagnoses was for the migraine headaches. Marijuana in combination with some OTC meds such as motrin migraine has been AMAZING relief for the migraines.

As for insomnia, i don't really see why i would have to try all the prescribed and OTC sleep-aids. How is marijuana less valid as a sleep-aid than some allergy meds (diphenhydramine). I personally hate ambien and other prescribed sleep-aids because of the hang-overish affects i get the next day.

I am in no way saying marijuana is the end-all of sleep aids. I'm just saying you should give it more credit as one.

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 Taking pills to help Insomnia is worse then smoking marijuana, being the addiction, some people become dependent on the pills to get to sleep, which if they don't have makes their "insomnia" worse.
 
 I can't say the same couldn't happen with marijuana... but... screw pills... and prescriptions... think I'll pass on what the Doc prescribes...
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

I suppose your doctor has already prescribed you things such as Ambien, Lunesta, Rozerem, Dalmane, and you've tried the numerous OTC sleep aids to no avail?


I'm not too sure why you are picking a fight but I'll respond.

Not picking a fight, just trying to find out why MJ was so necessary. It just seems to me your in the "OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW!!!!!" crowd


My primary diagnoses was for the migraine headaches. Marijuana in combination with some OTC meds such as motrin migraine has been AMAZING relief for the migraines.

Once again, if the doctor is going to prescribe I don't see why he wouldn't just choose one of the many accepted prescription migraine medications. 


As for insomnia, i don't really see why i would have to try all the prescribed and OTC sleep-aids. How is marijuana less valid as a sleep-aid than some allergy meds (diphenhydramine). I personally hate ambien and other prescribed sleep-aids because of the hang-overish affects i get the next day.

I am in no way saying marijuana is the end-all of sleep aids. I'm just saying you should give it more credit as one.
I don't give it credit as a sleep aid because there is very little if any hard scientific data on the effects of marijuana use as a hypnotic.




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Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

I suppose your doctor has already prescribed you things such as Ambien, Lunesta, Rozerem, Dalmane, and you've tried the numerous OTC sleep aids to no avail?


I'm not too sure why you are picking a fight but I'll respond.

Not picking a fight, just trying to find out why MJ was so necessary. It just seems to me your in the "OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW!!!!!" crowd


My primary diagnoses was for the migraine headaches. Marijuana in combination with some OTC meds such as motrin migraine has been AMAZING relief for the migraines.

Once again, if the doctor is going to prescribe I don't see why he wouldn't just choose one of the many accepted prescription migraine medications. 


As for insomnia, i don't really see why i would have to try all the prescribed and OTC sleep-aids. How is marijuana less valid as a sleep-aid than some allergy meds (diphenhydramine). I personally hate ambien and other prescribed sleep-aids because of the hang-overish affects i get the next day.

I am in no way saying marijuana is the end-all of sleep aids. I'm just saying you should give it more credit as one.
I don't give it credit as a sleep aid because there is very little if any hard scientific data on the effects of marijuana use as a hypnotic.






Have you ever smoked marijuana? If so how can you deny it's effect as a sleep aid?
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Originally posted by You Wont See Me You Wont See Me wrote:

I suppose your doctor has already prescribed you things such as Ambien, Lunesta, Rozerem, Dalmane, and you've tried the numerous OTC sleep aids to no avail?


I'm not too sure why you are picking a fight but I'll respond.

Not picking a fight, just trying to find out why MJ was so necessary. It just seems to me your in the "OMG GUYS I CAN SMOKE WEED NOW!!!!!" crowd


My primary diagnoses was for the migraine headaches. Marijuana in combination with some OTC meds such as motrin migraine has been AMAZING relief for the migraines.

Once again, if the doctor is going to prescribe I don't see why he wouldn't just choose one of the many accepted prescription migraine medications. 


As for insomnia, i don't really see why i would have to try all the prescribed and OTC sleep-aids. How is marijuana less valid as a sleep-aid than some allergy meds (diphenhydramine). I personally hate ambien and other prescribed sleep-aids because of the hang-overish affects i get the next day.

I am in no way saying marijuana is the end-all of sleep aids. I'm just saying you should give it more credit as one.
I don't give it credit as a sleep aid because there is very little if any hard scientific data on the effects of marijuana use as a hypnotic.






Have you ever smoked marijuana? If so how can you deny it's effect as a sleep aid?


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I could give a damn what linus has to say, frankly, everything i've read from him has been the perfect example of everything that is wrong with a mind that runs on circular logic. your opinion is the way everything is, based only from things that have happened in your life, with no regard to other people's opinion or experiences. It simply is the way it is, because you, and you alone say it is.

My aunt used MJ medicinally to combat her cancer before she passed, and I can honestly say the entire time she used, it helped, and didn't change who she was in any way. It has also always been beyond me how pharmesutical companies can make billions of dollars manufacturing drugs that completely destroy people's lives with addiction, and cause several detrimental side effects; all while picking and choosing who they supply to, the poor and needy go to the pits, as the wealthy and insured reap the benefits of a fractured system that people who think like you, FE, and anyone else whos been throwing out the same recycled arguing points against legalization created. You know who doesn't want pot legalized? The pharmesutical companies, and all the important senators who are in their pocket. Bye-bye money.

As are all the people I associate with myself (as any humble sheep does) I am a nearly daily user, and I do it because it's a good time. Notice i said NEARLY every day. Theres days when I do, and theres days when I dont. I hold a steady 3.7 in college, and am pre-law, I always get my important things completed before lighting up, and I have never once, regardless of how insanely intoxicated I was from THC, have been unable of controlling myself psychologically or physically. Also, I write and perform music (and art) in several areas, and can honestly say some of my fan's favorite songs have been created under the influence of one drug or another (strictly psychedelics, nothing addictive). More than anything, a large group of people is being punished for enjoying something in moderation for what few people do as an abusive habit, and thats not right. Punish the ones who have abused, not the ones who recreationally benefit from it.

Now, on issue of HOW its distributed. That shouldn't change. I think there should be a small supply of weed at pharmacies for people unable to find someone who sells, but the best way to go about the legalization is to just legalize it. If you tax it, it will make problems, however if you legalize it, the money made from it will be legitimized, IE: instead of hundreds of millions of dollars going into mattresses, walls, and seat cushons, it would be going into the banks, which is exactly what we need right now.

ps. you're an idiot.

EDIT: Don't mistake this as a personalization, as I have listed examples that keep it an objective argument. Although I have cited personal experiences, if you feel I need more evidence to back up my claims, feel free to ask.

EDITEDIT: I wont get a medical license, because I don't need it medically. I smoke where I know I'm safe, and I don't cause trouble. Unfortunately, I agree with people who are saying PB is abusing the system (sorry dude, you are). Going out and getting a license doesn't really change anything. You can go to dispensaries now, good for you, but you already live in cali, meaning all that dope you're getting, you can get at your neighbors house for 15 bucks cheaper.


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I like Holland's system, and it's still not even legal, just tolerated.
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Originally posted by TheDude TheDude wrote:

but you already live in cali, meaning all that dope you're getting, you can get at your neighbors house for 15 bucks cheaper.


So, so, so, so, so, so, false.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Everything is ok in moderation, except smoking.
So you are cool with marijuana used in other ways?


Never said I wasn't. My opinion is, and has been, that medicinal marijuana should not be allowed when there are alternatives available that are legal... and most of the time there ARE alternatives. But, keywords there--- when available.

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Quote I have never denied the bad aspects to alcohol, or any other drug for that matter.
True, but you also have not given any justification as to why it is the other drugs get to be legal while marijuana gets to be illegal.







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Quote same as sex with sex addicts.
So should sex be illegal? One of your justifications of keeping marijuana illegal seems to be that it can be psychologically addictive. Sec can also be. So we should make sex illegal.


Never went there, but if you insist at treating that the same as legalizing marijuana, lets tax sex. Washing hands is an addictive thing to people with OCD... lets either tax or outlaw that. Adrenaline rushes from extreme sports are addicting to some people... lets outlaw or tax those types of fun.

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Quote I'll take his word over any pro-legalization persons word on the matter any day.
What about scientist's words?
Considering not all scientist agree on that either, then no, not even their own words. It all depends on what side of the fence the scientist is on. Those that work for the DEA say it's addictive, those that work for legalization groups say it's not.



Originally posted by TheDude TheDude wrote:

your opinion is the way everything is, based only from things that have happened in your life, with no regard to other people's opinion or experiences.


I may have missed something, but isn't that the very definition of a persons opinion? What's your point? People aren't allowed to have opinions if they differ from your own view?

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



Quote I have never denied the bad aspects to alcohol, or any other drug for that matter.
True, but you also have not given any justification as to why it is the other drugs get to be legal while marijuana gets to be illegal.


I'm interested in seeing an actual response to this. What do you say?



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