Medical Marijuana

lol @ users making constant excuses to smoke, no matter what.

I've largely given up on this thread. It's turned into a drug users vs non drug users debate as opposed to having much to do with MM anymore. Another half step and it ends up locked for being nothing more than another 'lol weed' thread.

Linus wrote: Glassjaw wrote: Marijuana is illegal for various idiotic reasons, including this little gem,  "White people don't like mexicans". Citation needed.

It's true. People like Anslinger used racist scare tactics to push his anti-marijuana legislation back in the 30's. Marijuana is illegal not because of hard science but because of blatantly false anecdotal evidence from back in the "reefer madness" days. This guy pretty much said that marijuana turns you into a crazed axe murderer, and people bought it.

Oh, that and it makes white women have sex with black men.

Linus wrote: Glassjaw wrote: Then people started realizing they're highly addictive and actually cause more harm than good.  Now that people are seeing that marijuana (and by people I mean scientists, people in the medical field, and general users) we want the law's changed to reflect that.  FIrst thing-- I don't care what "general users" know or want. They are users of an illicit drug and want it legalized. Their views on something have no weight behind it. Second, not all scientist / medical professionals are in agreement that marijuana should be legalized, even for medicinal purposes. For every one that says legalize it, you'll find another that says don't. Maybe you should take a look at why the drug is even illegal. Anyone who bases their arguments on the fact that the drug is illegal should really either learn as to why it's illegal, or stop arguing that point.  Marijuana is illegal for various idiotic reasons, including this little gem,  "White people don't like mexicans". PS-- Where did the Davinci Institute get it's "facts" for that graph? Not sure.

Edited by Glassjaw - 29 March 2009 at 11:37am

Kayback wrote: Because it is illegal. It is already in the books like that. It does impair judgement, even though people are happy to spliff up and drive. It isn't like they are trying to ban Penicilin. Most of the people who want it unbanned are stoner criminals. (If you are illegally using a drug, you are a criminal) I don't see an overwhelming need to unban it. I'm not basing my whole argument on personal experience, I'm saying in my experience I don't see what's so great about it that you have to do it illegally, and trying to unban it. There are minor medical uses for it, which can be synthesized or refined. But to make the illicit psycoactive drug licit? Tylenol doesn't work for some people. I don't have much of a reaction to paracetemol. Dosn't affect me in the least. Do I think it should be banned? No. However it isn't illegal in the first place, there are other products on the market that do the same. Weed has been classified as a schedule 1 drug, and thanks to Obama's February law, can be gotten for medical reasons. I (and my learned friends int he medical field) don't see the need for this. Use the pills. General use legalization is like saying you may as well un schedule Morphine. KBK

Basing your argument largely on the fact it's illegal is pretty asinine.  Do you even know why it's illegal?  Once again, heroin and cocaine were once legal and sold as medication.  Then people started realizing they're highly addictive and actually cause more harm than good.  Now that people are seeing that marijuana (and by people I mean scientists, people in the medical field, and general users) we want the law's changed to reflect that.  Do you think that since salvia is legal in most states it should stay legal?  It has very little, if not any, medical benefits and is highly psychoactive.

Linus wrote: Tylenol is a weak drug anyhow... use Aspirin instead. Kayback has touched on what I have already stated. There isn't a single thing that marijuana does illegally, that other drugs do, and sometimes better, legally. Yes, there are side effects to those drugs, such as nausea, but every single drug has side effects, INCLUDING OXYGEN.

I suppose the fact it's far less harmful and produces many of the same desired effects that other drugs can isn't a good thing however, right?





Edited by Glassjaw - 29 March 2009 at 11:12am

Because it is illegal. It is already in the books like that. It does impair judgement, even though people are happy to spliff up and drive.

It isn't like they are trying to ban Penicilin. Most of the people who want it unbanned are stoner criminals. (If you are illegally using a drug, you are a criminal)

I don't see an overwhelming need to unban it. I'm not basing my whole argument on personal experience, I'm saying in my experience I don't see what's so great about it that you have to do it illegally, and trying to unban it.

There are minor medical uses for it, which can be synthesized or refined. But to make the illicit psycoactive drug licit?

Tylenol doesn't work for some people. I don't have much of a reaction to paracetemol. Dosn't affect me in the least. Do I think it should be banned? No. However it isn't illegal in the first place, there are other products on the market that do the same.

Weed has been classified as a schedule 1 drug, and thanks to Obama's February law, can be gotten for medical reasons. I (and my learned friends int he medical field) don't see the need for this. Use the pills. General use legalization is like saying you may as well un schedule Morphine.

KBK

Kayback wrote: The thing is in Amsterdam is it's still illegal. It is accepted in some places, and you can generally get away with it, but it isn't legal to walk down the road smoking a joint, or light up in a normal bar. I must say, to personalize this even more, I don't see the point of ganja. Never once in a whole bunch of trying it have I ever gotten even the slightest buzz, the munchies, or even even gotten paranoid from it, in any form. Brownies, joints, infusions, bongs whatever. It wasted valuable drinking time :) Maybe my CB1 and CB2 receptors just don't work. So I honestly I don't understand people making such a fuss over something pretty much useless in my experience. KBK

So you're against it......why? Your own words man, come on. And I know its not legal, it's tolerated, but we make our own rules and it could be legalized but not legal to consume in public, except in our version of a coffee shop.

And you're basing your entire opinion of a topic as broad as this on personal experience alone?
"Well in my opinion tylenol doesn't work for my headaches, therefor it must not work for anyone"
Essentially.

Kayback wrote: Because people give you the same consideration when they smoke tobacco. I've been in clubs before where I do end up with irritated eyes. How can you say it won't be smoked in public places? I know plenty of people who smoke the holy herb, and would love to not have to sneak off somewhere else to do it. Again, if this is for medicinal use, why the HELL should I have to leave to room so you can pollute the air when you could just take a pill? For general consumption, I'm fairly sure eventually it would settle down, but I'm also fairly sure the first while it would be stupid with stoner's celebrating. As it IS when people light up MJ I do leave the room. It is easy because it is illegal. But if it is legalized those people that smoke it won't be making themselves scarce. KBK

Again Kayback, I don't mean to be a dick, but I've been to Amsterdam, and that's simply not how it is. People ARE considerate and stick to designated marijuana smoking areas. I went to at least two coffee shops that you had to go into a completely seperate room to smoke, so the main area was smoke free.

Yes people will celebrate, but its a short lived thing, then the novelty wears off, or you continue to smoke if you truly enjoy the effect of smoking.
And Kayback, the fight for legalization is for general use, like alcohol. Regulated and taxed, but up to you how you use it, not just medicinal.

Because people give you the same consideration when they smoke tobacco. I've been in clubs before where I do end up with irritated eyes.

How can you say it won't be smoked in public places?

I know plenty of people who smoke the holy herb, and would love to not have to sneak off somewhere else to do it.

Again, if this is for medicinal use, why the HELL should I have to leave to room so you can pollute the air when you could just take a pill?

For general consumption, I'm fairly sure eventually it would settle down, but I'm also fairly sure the first while it would be stupid with stoner's celebrating.

As it IS when people light up MJ I do leave the room. It is easy because it is illegal. But if it is legalized those people that smoke it won't be making themselves scarce.

KBK

/me goes to bed after taking his sleep medication.

So...how hard is it to avoid second hand smoke? My old roommates gf CANT have thc in her system, and her bf smokes rarely, I did when I lived there, so did their neighbours/ our friends, etc
Either way, it has never, ever been a problem, you just take it outside, go for a walk, go in the bathroom, on the balcony, w/e. If you're at a party or something and people are partaking, just excuse yourself to a different area for a bit. Again, it's not really hard to avoid, at all. People tend to be considerate when you ask not be smoked around, or say they don't partake. Non issue.