Expelled, no intelligence allowed.

I think its important to listen to both sides of the argument, and so I'm currently sitting here watching Ben Stein's Expelled, I'm trying very hard to actually watch this video... But it's very, very painful.

Ooooh. Okay Ben Stein.

*Bump*

I just streamed this movie over netflix.

The entire first half of the movie could have been avoided had ben stein ever read The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. The rest was, ID isn't about god but science and god can get together. Scientist who support darwin are communist, east Germany and Hitler at the same time.


What a waste of 90 minutes.

Why would you watch this?

This is coming from someone who at least thinks ID is possible.

Monk wrote: Did you know that the earth is actually hollow?

I refuse to believe in ID. 

So, to bump this thread again, I just watched this movie. All respect for Ben Stein is lost (I don't know where I got it from in the first place, but for some reason I thought him a respectable guy). It seemed like at one point he was actually trying to push the idea that evolution wasn't even science.

And displaying Richard Dawkins in a dark manner like that, dark room and all is just wrong. EVERYONE who's anyone knows that he is the closest thing this planet will ever get to receiving an angel. Give him the glow he deserves, damnit!

Darur wrote: __sneaky__ wrote: ^ It's pointless. Its a last stitch effort to keep god in science when we have come to the point of it not being needed. Where would God (metaphysical) fit in Science (physical)? I still don't understand the logic of this idea that science and religion are somehow at odds. Although, incidentally, there is room for the notion of a God in Quantum Physics (universal observer), unless you subscribe to the idea of infinite parallel universes existing.

Interestingly enough, there are quite a few notable scientists out there who still believe in God, and believe in the idea that when it all comes down to it, something started this whole crazy thing and wasn't the Big Bang since something created the big bang. Nothing can come from Nothing, this is the most immutable law of physics. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed but when it comes down to it, something had to create the matter that allowed the Big Bang to occur. The further we chase down answers (which are completely legit btw) the more we're left with more questions which we can only answer by looking to a higher power.

The fault in intelligent design lies not in the idea that some higher power was the catalyst for this grand place we call the universe, but rather in comparing our own weak and feeble minds to the mind of God. Can we even define God? Of course not. The Hebrews never did get into specifics, even the eastern religions say there is no God because for us to understand what God is would be impossible. It isn't an argument against a higher creative power, but an argument against the limits of the human mind. Even the Christian faith has attempted to show us that God isn't something that we could ever truly know or understand. The concept of the trinity is a reminder that while we may have an understanding of the humanistic side of God through Jesus, we cannot even begin to wrap our minds around the idea of the creator (the Father) or the idea of the spirit/soul/life energy (the Holy Spirit).

There is more than enough room in science for God. There simply isn't room for the convoluted humanistic view of an old man sitting on a throne in the clouds.

I think people are trusting in science too much. Don't get me wrong its a great thing, but it is not the most accurate thing in the world, in fact scientists are wrong most of the time. Everything is based on theories and educated guesses, except for the few laws like gravity and stuff. I'm just saying, I'm not going to base my whole life on something that is just made up of guesses. The big bang theory doesn't explain how life came to be, scientists still cannot figure that out.

Rofl_Mao wrote: I think people are trusting in science too much. Don't get me wrong its a great thing, but it is not the most accurate thing in the world, in fact scientists are wrong most of the time. Everything is based on theories and educated guesses, except for the few laws like gravity and stuff. I'm just saying, I'm not going to base my whole life on something that is just made up of guesses. The big bang theory doesn't explain how life came to be, scientists still cannot figure that out.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.