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Old Man Shea ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 November 2009 Location: Western MA Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Why does it seem that everywhere i go, people hate tippmanns? When online and talking with friends everyone downplays the tippmann name like they are cheap plastic cap guns from china.
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God ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Pull My Finger Joined: 09 May 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
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Jealousy. Or they want to make themselves feel better for paying 2x, 3x, 4x, or even 5x as much for their markers.
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oldpbnoob ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Not old, Not noob. May be Dave's grandma Joined: 04 February 2008 Location: Yankee Stadium Status: Offline Points: 5676 |
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I think it's pretty common for owners of high end equipment to look down on more entry level equipment regardless of the sport, hobby etc. And if I am not mistaken, some Tippmann products actually are being made in China. Irony of that is, so are others. * corrected for accuracy. Edited by oldpbnoob - 19 November 2009 at 1:44pm |
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God ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Pull My Finger Joined: 09 May 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
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The latest Tippmann markers: The X-7 Phenom, SL-68 II and Tpx are all made in the USA.
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oldpbnoob ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Not old, Not noob. May be Dave's grandma Joined: 04 February 2008 Location: Yankee Stadium Status: Offline Points: 5676 |
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"When I grow up I want to marry a rich man and live in a condor next to the beach" -- My 7yr old daughter.
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God ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Pull My Finger Joined: 09 May 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
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Yes, I do believe that some of Tippmann's markers are Made in China. But I know that Tippmann has rejected and had some products redone when the product hasnt meet their high standards.
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Evil Elvis ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Crusher of Dreams Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4250 |
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The Alpha Black and Project Salvo markers are Assembled in the USA with parts made in China. The reason for this is to cut cost and transfer those costs directly to the new player or a player looking for a solid back up marker.
There is no "M-4" out the box marker in the market for the price of the ABT Project Salvo. |
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TinMan ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 10 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
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You want to see hate, We were the only team to tie the toughest, undefeated Xball team in our league. We we're shooting Tippmann's, they were shooting Ego's and Geo's![]() Seriously though, I don't see the hate you mentioned. Yeah the high end marker owners
may hate on us sometimes, but like God said, for the price of their markers we'll let them.
Last weekend I played woodsball with an 18 year old Tippmann Marker, it was glorious.
My son used my 98 because his PMR broke down. I'm not claiming Tippmann's are better than any other marker, they're just better for me.
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Ceesman762 ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Time for a C-Section! Joined: 15 November 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5029 |
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Innocence proves nothing
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jubba ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 March 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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I don't think there is that much hate for Tippmann, Smart parts yes, Tippmann not so much. I do think there is a lack of respect sometimes by noob electronic owners towards Tippmanns. When first starting out it is easy to get infatuated with rate of fire, but I would rather not go though a hopper and 3 pods in one game.
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Reb Cpl ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has to say "yes" to "are you a cop?" Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14210 |
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I agree with everything thats already been said. Mostly the fact that these guys need to justify spending an ass load more money on their markers than tippmann owners do, and get the same results that we do.
Plus, I'd imagine there's quite a bit of irritation in their camp over the fact that a marker deemed 'entry level' can hold up to the higher end markers with a slight bit of modification. |
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SSOK ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() The Savior of Christmas Joined: 01 September 2005 Location: PRNJ Status: Offline Points: 5919 |
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Fixed.
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WOLF S.A. ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 December 2009 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Horses for courses, as the old addage goes.
all about jealousy, it's human nature.
but according to me a reasonably mature male, in age alone, tippman products have not let me down under the african sun so far, a lot of other brands can't claim that much.
we have a ball torture testing any and all products to destruction over here , if it can survive bush warfare it is good.
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buhju1 ![]() Member ![]() Auf wiedersehen Joined: 26 March 2009 Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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Here are the reasons why people hate on Tippmanns: (These are not my views unless I said they are. These are paraphrases ideas I collected off the internet and in talking wit players at speedball and scenario tournaments.) The cyclone system is worthless for any type of speedball. It is like having a football on the side of your gun. This is most likely why you see a lot of posts asking if they could take the cyclone off of their A5/X7/Phenom. The cyclone system is hard on paint. It is like a blender. I have had a problem like this but it was that my paintballs were horrible, it wasn't the cyclone. They are heavy. This doesn't bother me but if you were to talk to a person with an Invert Mini it probably would. Out of the box they are heavier than other guns and if you put a stock, mag, shroud, etc. on them they get really heavy. MY VIEW: They don't shoot fast in semi-auto. My field only allows semi-auto and I can't compete with my 98. You can't work a Tippmann double trigger or any after-market double trigger for a Tippmann. They are very expensive. (This is MY VIEW and I did this with a 98 long ago)
Buy a Phenom. Put a flatline on it. New mag because the stock one is awful. Stock. Foregrip. Bipod. A second barrel say 14" J&J. Put a suppressor on it. Upgrade your cyclone. Put a sight on your gun, red dot maybe. Now you need a raised rail because you can't see the sight if you are using a stock. How about a tac light. Now you decided that you don't like the stock handguard that you use with your J&J and suppressor. TELL ME WHICH GUN COSTS MORE NOW!!! They are hard on paint. If you were to buy a gun like an Ego, a chop would be cause for concern and you might take your gun apart to see if there is something wrong with it. Tippmanns break paint all the time. They are gas hogs. The operating pressure of a Tippmann (phenom excluded) is about 550 PSI. The Phenom is 300. Lets take a look at the WDP Angel A1. The operating pressure is 30 PSI. Tippmanns most air efficient gun needs 10X more air to operate. They are complicated. I haven't had a problem with this personally. A high-end gun has no more than 5 parts that make up the bolt. A tippmann has a lot. I don't know how many but there is a lot of stuff going on in the chamber too. The front and back grips are too far apart on an A5 and 98. I think this is ridiculous but I guess. The grips suck. You can't upgrade the grips on any Tippmann after the 98. Again, not my view. MY VIEW: The X7, Phenom, and all variants of the US Army line do not come with a foregrip. I like foregrips. A lot of the parts that fit on the X7 don't work for the Phenom. I don't have a Phenom but I've seen an awful lot of complaints. Tippmanns don't use standard macro-line. I couldn't care less but to some people this makes a big deal. Tippmanns do not use regular detents or eyes. I would have liked to see eyes on the Phenom but detents don't bother me. Tippmanns don't have regulators of any kind. (Phenom excluded) I don't think they need them but... They don't come with good stock barrels. I think you would upgrade even if they did but... You have to use a different barrel adapter for the flatline. You can't change the ASA. I don't care but some do. I guess that is it. You wanted to know why. I can't see much more that can be said. Please don't flame me, remember, unless I said it was, these are not my views. |
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Reb Cpl ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has to say "yes" to "are you a cop?" Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14210 |
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I know the below weren't your views, but I feel like a rebuttal is in order- most of those claims are silly at best.
I'm not flaming you, I just felt like refuting most of what was posted. |
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DeTrevni ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() b-YOU-ick. Was that so hard? Joined: 19 September 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Status: Offline Points: 11957 |
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Going to the Angel using 30 PSI to operate: Wha? Yeah, it may take 30 PSI to operate the ram, but you are still using a few hundred PSI to shoot the ball. There is NO way an Angel is 30x more efficient than a Tippmann. More efficient, sure, but your logic is a bit flawed.
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Evil Elvis: "Detrevni is definally like a hillbilly hippy from hell"
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TinMan ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 10 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1003 |
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They sure as hell are mine Reb.
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Reb Cpl ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has to say "yes" to "are you a cop?" Joined: 10 June 2002 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14210 |
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Pardon? What are yours? |
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The Guy ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Soup Can Guy Joined: 18 March 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6666 |
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A guns operating pressure has absolutly nothing to do with its efficiency. Its a balance of operating pressure, and the amount of time the valve is held open.
I can run my Tribal down to 150 psi, better than any other gun from the late 90's, but I have to put a 40ms dwell on it. |
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buhju1 ![]() Member ![]() Auf wiedersehen Joined: 26 March 2009 Status: Offline Points: 150 |
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You are aware that Dwell has to do with battery life, not air consumption right? Dwell is the amount of time your solenoid is powered after you shoot. By the way, if you have high hopes for the Phenom stock barrel you will be disappointed. It is the same as the X7 basic. Unless of course that's what you wanted. The paint I was using was $25 a case. I could drop it on the ground from waist-level and it would break. As I said however, I don't blame the cyclone for breaking that stuff. When your shells have the strength of wet paper, there isn't much you can do. It is the same way in winter with any paintballs. I figured my post would liven up this thread. I'm proud of myself.
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