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Topic: Obamacare... No big deal, right? Biden said it allPosted: 26 March 2010 at 8:14am |
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So Catapillar a major manufacturer here in the US, announced they will be hit with $100,000,000 tax payment from Obamacare this quarter...
Wow, that should increase jobs.
Now, John Deer comes out, I'm sure Obama wanted them to be able to hire more employees, right?...
uh oh.
$150,000,000.00
This thread is to post the results of this amazing ground breaking legislation, and the affect it has on jobs.
Here is some positive affect. 16,000 new employees!
Yeah, we need jobs. The writer of that article brings up a good point. Was the healthcare of the new 16,000 employees figured into the costs of the bill?... I doubt it.
post the articles that relate to the passage of Obamacare. It will be interesting to see how jobs are affected by this. Course if you don't have a job, or your family doesn't have a job, you will only see pony's and rainbows.
But... If your dad works at a large company and has good healthcare. You can bet they will either restate earning projections for this year (which the news will HAVE to report...) or they will slash benefits.
The larger the company the larger the hit.
P&G is in my town, and I know for a fact, that they have just eliminated over 2,000 jobs this week alone...
More to come as we watch the ramifications of bull dozing through this bill. It will affect every American on this board.
Change it's what's for dinner!
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 8:19am |
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Oh, and if you have a hsa, like me...
Then you can't buy over the counter medication with your pretaxed health savings account.
Thank you Obamacare. I spend a fortune on Allergy medicine. and now I will pay 40% more for them.
I'm sure that will increase jobs. Oh wait, no it won't.
strange that NO news source has picked up on this yet...
weird...
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 12:11pm |
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Enough healthcare reform threads. All these healthcare related topics should fit into one thread. Now you're just spamming the board.
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 1:10pm |
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Fixed.
And you're helping him by bumping it back to the top with your whining*. (duh!) *Of course, so am I by replying, but since I am capable of reading the title of threads, deciding if I want to enter them or not, and then acting on the results of that decision; it doesn't bug me to do so. Edited by Mack - 26 March 2010 at 1:13pm |
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 1:26pm |
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Speaking of Biden's outburst, it reaffirms my statement that being Joe Biden's handler has got to be one of the worst jobs in all of Washington.
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 1:31pm |
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Actually whoever got it is just the worst at it. How hard is it to make sure all his meals are properly seasoned with diazepam? |
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 1:59pm |
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The more time goes on, the more Joe Biden reminds me of Jim Mora.
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 2:25pm |
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I think he'd be a really hilarious dinner guest.
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 2:33pm |
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 4:31pm |
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He makes Dan Quayle look like a genius sometimes. Oh, and his handler needs to invest in one of these:
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Posted: 26 March 2010 at 4:44pm |
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I just had a mental image of somebody following Biden around with a pooper-scooper. Thanks for the smile, Whale!
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Posted: 29 March 2010 at 12:31pm |
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More great news about the cost of Obamacare from our largest employers. I'm sure after paying these new taxes, they will be in the mood to hire more employees so they can pay even more taxes... And your phone bill isn't going to go up... along with anything else you buy...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
In other words, shoot the messenger. Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden. Should these companies have played chicken with the Securities and Exchange Commission to avoid this politically inconvenient reality? Democrats don't like what their bill is doing in the real world, so they now want to intimidate CEOs into keeping quiet. On top of AT&T's $1 billion, the writedown wave so far includes Deere & Co., $150 million; Caterpillar, $100 million; AK Steel, $31 million; 3M, $90 million; and Valero Energy, up to $20 million. Verizon has also warned its employees about its new higher health-care costs, and there will be many more in the coming days and weeks. As Joe Biden might put it, this is a big, er, deal for shareholders and the economy. The consulting firm Towers Watson estimates that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion, unless corporations cut retiree drug benefits when their labor contracts let them. Meanwhile, John DiStaso of the New Hampshire Union Leader reported this week that ObamaCare could cost the Granite State's major ski resorts as much as $1 million in fines, because they hire large numbers of seasonal workers without offering health benefits. "The choices are pretty clear, either increase prices or cut costs, which could mean hiring fewer workers next winter," he wrote. The Democratic political calculation with ObamaCare is the proverbial boiling frog: Gradually introduce a health-care entitlement by hiding the true costs, hook the middle class on new subsidies until they become unrepealable, but try to delay the adverse consequences and major new tax hikes so voters don't make the connection between their policy and the economic wreckage. But their bill was such a shoddy, jerry-rigged piece of work that the damage is coming sooner than even some critics expected. the beginning of the end for the democrats.
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Posted: 30 March 2010 at 12:31pm |
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Ahh, the new "hope and change" benefits for the youth...
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Posted: 31 March 2010 at 8:52am |
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Layoffs another benefit of Obamacare, and the new government takeover of student loans... This is just one company, there will be tens of thousands of layoffs because of this benefit.
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Powerhouse student loan provider Sallie Mae says layoffs are imminent as a result of President Obama's new student loan overhaul. "This legislation will force Sallie Mae to reduce our 8,600-person workforce by 2,500," Conwey Casillas, Vice President of Sallie Mae Public Affairs, said in a statement to Fox News." And this is the best one yet...
a VAST CEO conspiracy!
But, the youth in our society voted 2 to 1 for Obama...
And if you haven't heard of Jason Mattera, you should look him up. This kid is great, his video's are hysterical.
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Posted: 31 March 2010 at 10:07am |
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I like this line from the first link fe posted.
For some reason it made me think of one of the discussions on health care I was involved with on this forum early in the debate. I pointed out something along the lines of the fact that you can't give more people, better service without it being more expensive for someone. If I remember correctly it resulted in a back and forth disagreement ("yes we can"/"no we can't") that culminated in someone saying it would be less expensive because the President said so. This really is the very definition of socialism. With a group (the young) who don't utilize a service (health care) paying more to support a group (the old) who do utilize it more. It hardly seems fair . . . but I don't care that much since I'm old. |
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Posted: 31 March 2010 at 10:57am |
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Sad part is, the biggest hurdle yet for the youth is the lack of jobs...
And it will only get worse because of Obamacare's new costs on business... We are seeing signs already pointing in that direction.
for example
notice who is hiring based on the article...
And those are temp jobs... which will run out.
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Posted: 31 March 2010 at 12:09pm |
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the benefits of youth are still more than the downsides, at least when it comes to health care.
Considering more plans will now cover children for a longer period of time now. |
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Posted: 01 April 2010 at 2:01pm |
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Yeah, more coverage never equates higher costs?... oh wait.
I'm glad we are living with Obamanomics now, they are really helping in NC where I grew up.
"focused like a laser on jobs"...
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Posted: 01 April 2010 at 10:28pm |
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Sigh...
I don't remember claiming that more health care costs less. I don't expect it to. As amazing as this sounds, I'm actually interested in paying more if it means more coverage. Fancy that. |
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Posted: 01 April 2010 at 10:39pm |
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Well if I'm insured this summer you can bet i'll be doing a lot more mountain biking, whitewater canoeing, mountain climbing, skydiving etc. If I'm going to pay more (or better yet, weasel my parents into paying for) my insurance, I might as well be stupid. And to top it off, I have not had and don't plan to have an H1N1 shot. Suck it taxpayers.
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