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Top 5 musical geniuses of late 20th century.

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    Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:46am
Not your 5 favorite performers, but who do you honestly think had the most raw musical talent?

My list in some random order:



Prince: Can play 27 instruments; has written hundreds of songs for himself and other singers, sings and dances.



Kurt Cobain: Singer/guitar player, but the main reason I put him in my top 5 was because of his intense passion for the music, not money and fame.



Michael Jackson: If you know anything about Michael Jackson, then this is an obvious choice.



The Beatles: Again, doesn't really require further explanation.



Johnny Cash: His music was amazing, and virtually anyone to this day can relate to it.

So theres my top 5. Elton John gets an honourable mention, because top 6 doesn't sound as good. Who are your top 5?

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I agree with all of those except cobain... He died too young to be on that list in my opinion.
 
I would add someone like Ozzy to the list, or maybe garth brooks.
 
 
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This is a hard list. If you're using the collective singular you can put the Beatles, but do you mean collective singulars or individual people? 

I'm going with individual people: 

  1. John Lennon 
  2. Mick Jagger 
  3. Michael Jackson 
  4. Hank Williams (The first) 
  5. Jay Z. 


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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

This is a hard list. If you're using the collective singular you can put the Beatles, but do you mean collective singulars or individual people? 

I'm going with individual people: 

  1. John Lennon 
  2. Mick Jagger 
  3. Michael Jackson 
  4. Hank Williams (The first) 
  5. Jay Z. 


I'm not being too picky about it. John Lennon was my favorite beatle though, for whatever that's worth.
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Why is Jimi Hendrix not listed?
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Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:





Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:
Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Ehhh. 

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 



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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Jay Z.

For the life of me I can never understand why Jay-Z gets the reputation he does. I've just never seen anything special about him except for his business acumen that has made him the richest rapper in the world.
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Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:





Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Word. I don't know if he is the best rapper, but he is definitely the most dynamic and most talented.

I can't really comment on artists outside of the rap genre, but I'm inclined to say OP has the right idea.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

Because most people on this forum are too biased to ever say it:
Much moreso than JayZ, hands down in my opinion.

Ehhh. 

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 





I've never enjoyed anything I've heard Jay-Z do, so I guess I'm really biased against him music wise.  I'll give you that he's an amazing business man, hence the empire he's built. But if we're just talking music, Eminem all day.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 

Anger??  I would say NWA, Public Enemy and Ice T brought the anger level to new heights in rap music IMO.
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z? 

Not sure I'd go that far. 

Anger??  I would say NWA, Public Enemy and Ice T brought the anger level to new heights in rap music IMO.

In their day, they set the bar with social angst in their lyrics. 

But, the level of just raw seething anger that you get from The Slim Shady LP has yet to be touched by any other rap artist: Not even Eminem himself. 

It's hard to listen to that album the whole way through in one sitting. That's the sign of a really angry album.


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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

He's really good, and the level of anger he brought to rap was a healthy boost to the genre, but is he better as a whole, both through rapping and producing, than Jay Z?

Easily.
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I'd compromise and say that I'd replace Jay Z on my list with Dre. 

Dre made Eminem. 
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I'd compromise

Got dang libral.

Quote and say that I'd replace Jay Z on my list with Dre. 

Dre made Eminem. 

Better, but I still have to disagree. Dre afforded Eminem an outlet to grow and make his own music in a way that most companies wouldn't allow, but saying that Dre made Eminem ignores Eminem's raw talent and the fact that he had creative control over most of what he did.
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Bob Dylan.


As for the Em and Jay Z debate. When looking at full careers, Jay Z has accomplished more and has been continuously successful as well as relevant, while Em has pretty much died out since Encore.
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Originally posted by jerseypaint jerseypaint wrote:

Bob Dylan.


As for the Em and Jay Z debate. When looking at full careers, Jay Z has accomplished more and has been continuously successful as well as relevant, while Em has pretty much died out since Encore.



Have you heard his new album?


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I don't know much about rap in general, but Eminem has always impressed me with his lyrical abilities. I've watched alot of his earlier freestyle videos, very impressive stuff.

Anyway, a top 5 list is really tough, because there were so many in the the 50's,60's, and 70's that completely changed music forever. So I'll do mine by era-
 
50's-Carl Perkins. Perkins was doing rockabilly long before Elvis was, and was very well known as being one of the fathers of modern rock and roll.
 
60's-I'm giving this one a toss up between Bob Dylan (reinventing songwriting) and Jimi Hendrix (reinventing guitar). Really it should just be Dylan, because Hendrix followed a lot more of a set pattern that people realized. He was a genius, but nothing like Dylan.
 
80's-Michael Jackson. I hate to say it, but he changed alot in the pop music scebe.
 
Modern-Jack White. LOL I think my fanboyism of Jack White is getting to creepy levels, but after watching "It Might Get Loud" last night, I've reaffirmed my belief that Jack White is the second coming of rock and roll.
 
That saId, here's another top 5 for guitarists
 
1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Chuck Berry
3. Stevie Ray Vaughan
4. Randy Rhoads
5. Jack White
 
Those are the guitar game changers for me. People who did something that's never been heard before, and things would never be the same afterward. You can think SRV for all the Texas blues stylings you hear on the radio, and anyone who's ever picked up the guitar has played at least some Chuck Berry.
 
On Cobain, I think FE was spot on. Had he lived long enough, and been allowed to grow musically, I think he would have been on my list. If you listen to "Unplugged", you hear the makings of someone who is an incredibly talented musician / guitarist in general. But the drugs and his glaring mental issues clouded everything, and I honestly don't consider grunge to be much more than the stepping stone between punk and modern alternative. I love Nirvana, but I think listening to songs like "Lake of Fire" and "The Man Who Sold the World" from Unplugged is far more enlightening than anything else they did.
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1. Jimi Hendrix
2. The Beatles
3. Bob Dylan
4. Eric Clapton
5. Kurt Cobain

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