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    Posted: 01 June 2011 at 3:00pm
I originally wanted an SKS, but when I realized that the Ruskies were $400, Chinese were $300, and crappy Yugo's were $250, I decided to wait until the Obama hype is over, or just save up for a Mini 14, which I wanted more anyway.
 
So now, to fill my commie gun position, I want an M44. Whats the deal with the outrageous prices I am seeing? $200? I can find hex reciever 91/30's for $80 online, but I cant find a M44 in the $100-150 ballpark. I would really like an unmolested eastern bloc M44, no Finns or Chinese.
 
Is a cheap surplus carbine too much to ask for?
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Yes.

Unless you are wanting to play pretend 80's TV series, why a Mini 14?

I'm fairly sure I've asked you this before, but WHY?

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^^see above^^ If you want a  used Mini 14, do a quick search and see when it was made, serial number search with Ruger. My experience with the Mini 14 is that, well, it sucked for accuracy, would only use Ruger factory magazines.  After markets caused malfunctions.  See if you can get one made in the late 90's/early 2000's, some of the others here have not had the same experience I have had and have liked it.  The stock is kind of short for me, I'm 6'1", a little uncomfortable having my nose against the receiver.
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

Yes.

Unless you are wanting to play pretend 80's TV series, why a Mini 14?

I'm fairly sure I've asked you this before, but WHY?

KBK
 
I want to eventually get a 5.56 rifle or carbine, and the Mini 14 is a reliable, cheap, and accurate carbine. The original rifles had semi-sloppy tolerances and resulted in crap accuracy, but I have read that quality was stepped up and accuracy followed. M4's are alright, but I have always liked M1 carbines/M14's/M1A's.
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Spend the money and get the Springfield M1A or SOCOM 16...
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I got my Russian M44 from a pawn shop for $120, but that was about 3 years ago.  If you do get one, make sure you shoot it with the bayonet extended or your accuracy will be off.  It's an incredibly fun rifle.  
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Find an M-38 if you can. There was another carbine that was actually a shortened full-length rifle made post-war. The model name escapes me and the content filter @ the hospital won't let me go to gun sites. Neither of those models are zeroed for having bayonets. My full-sized Mosin is a great rifle for long-range work. M38 and M-44's are cool because they breath fire and kick like a mule.
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the M44 is on my 'to get' list- I think its at the top and will be the next one I pick up when I've got the dime to put down on guns again. I've always wanted one, and every time you jerks start talking about them again, I get all lathered up. 
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Forgot about the 38.  I wish I had been able to find one, but the 44 is still a hoot and the bayonet makes a good gun stand to keep it out of the dirt.  
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I looked at the M38, but I want a bayonet. Its looking like I am going to have to A. Wait out the Obama hype, B. Spend moar C. get a fullsize Mosin or D. find a really good deal locally
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I bought mine during the height of the Obama hype.  If prices are going up that much still, it's probably a supply issue.  
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*cough* Finnish Moist Nuggets are superior *cough*


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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Moist Nuggets


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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

*cough* Finnish Moist Nuggets are superior *cough*


Just sayin'
QFT. I have a Valmet bbl'ed M-39 myself which has been surpassed in milsurp accuracy (in my personal experience) only by a minty Smith Corona '03-A3 with match ammo, and I've only shot crappier ammo out of it. Still shoot minute-of-face at 300 yards, and last time out I did it standing w/ 85% success. If I'm correct those things didn't leave the factory unless they shot under around 1.5 M.O.A with ball ammo. Got it for <$300 a few years back, in excellent, like-new condition with stock tag. If you could hand-pick, get one of the 1970's match rifles w/ a B-Barrel if you reload. Those are .308 bore instead of .310, but are throated for the "D" ammo, which is .310". I need to try some Lapua in it or roll my own. Igman turned out to be worse than wolf. Next to my Garand(reconditioned and unfired when I got it), it's my favorite rifle of that era, and has outshot it so far. Will need to find the best load for both for a head-to-head some day.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

*cough* Finnish Moist Nuggets are superior *cough*


Just sayin'
 
You of all people, Tallen. You're a commie loving-Ovechkin worshiping-cyrillic reading, Ruskie enthusiast and you say the Finnish are superior?
 
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Mini 14's are ok plinkers. Barely. If you like M1's get one. I believe AutoOrdinance make good ones. If you like the M14/M1A, get one. Springfield make good ones. I don't know where to get a Garand from. The CMP?

But if you want a 5.56 get an AR pattern. They are pretty much the gold standard. Most of the training you will find revolves around them, most the accessories you can get are for them. The after market market is huge. Spare parts are cheap and easily available. They are more user friendly than the Mini.

Depending on what you want out of it they might be a little pricey, but the people who make good ones make good ones. Look at EAG, BCM, Daniel Defence, LaRue, LWRC, Colt and Smith and Wesson.

There are some lower tier makes like Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA and the like if you just want a plinker.

The S&W is a good compromise between damn fine quality and reasonable price.

The Mini does not have much going for it. It is hard to get accessories for it, mounting optics is hard, and there are some you have to avoid for accuracy sake. (some say the new ones are no better). There was once a market for the Mini 30, but with AK accessories on the up, why bother. The ONLY plus is the non pistol stock so it is easier to get in some places.

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I believe they come with an optics mount now from the factory.  Can't be that hard to scope it.  
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They now all have the side-ejection and "ranch rifle" style receiver mounting bases. The problem is that the guide-rod/action bar is a heavy SOB and the cycling action murders scopes, or at least the cheaper ones. Minis are handy, but after market mags are indeed crappy. Even an older commcercial M1-Carbine would be decent (AO has a mixed rep, but I think their warranty allows you to get them fixed easily). I'd take a AR or even AK (even non-converted Saiga) over one any day. The mini I had worked with 5rounders as a plinker, and accuracy was decent until the barrel heated up(which takes 5 rounds). I never scoped it, but the cheaper used ones are going to be the old style. Build your own AR on the cheap. The mini is bottom of the list. Never shot mine again after an up-close confrontation with a bear and it jammed after 2 warning shots, bear waltzed up within bayo distance before my dad hit it with a log.  then realized that the thing was out of battery. Primer sealant did a great job of clogging the firing pin also on the stainless model quite often too. DGI or not, AR's are something I'd trust my life to over another mini ever. 
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I suppose it depends on what you want to do with it. While I'll admit I did not know the new ones were side ejectors, I wouldn't think it is that easy to scope them, they are hard on scopes.

With a flat top AR and QD mounts you can have red dot sights, you can have magnified scopes, you can have red dot scopes with flip out magnifiers, lights and a whole host of things.

Ruger's MRSP is between $880 and $900. The Tactical is $920. The M&P 15 Tactical is $1070.

You can get M&P's for $800, with rebates.

An EAG will set you back $2000, but it'll come ready to run with
# CM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas BFH (Cold Hammer Forged) Barrel (w/ perm A2X™ Flash Hider)
# Special Edition E.A.G. Serial Number Series
# E.A.G. Logo Laser Etched on Front Magwell and Upper Receiver
# LaRue Tactical 9" Tactical Free Float Handguards
# TangoDown SCAR Panel Covers (qty 3)
# TangoDown QD Vertical Grip-K
# TangoDown Battle Grip
# TangoDown PR#4 Sling Mount
# Vltor USGI QD Front Swivel
# Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard
# Magpul MOE Stock
# Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight
# VTAC Padded Sling
# VTAC Light Mount
# SureFire G2 LED
# BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower
# Slip2000 EWL
# $200 Certificate toward training with E.A.G. Tactical (Restrictions Apply)

Which is pretty much sorted. Slap on a H-1 Micro and you have a great gun.

Daniel Defence M4's will set you back around $1500. This is why you pay one and a half grand for a DDM4

You _can_ build your own AR pattern, but I would advise against it. The people who do it for a living are guaranteed to do it better than you will. Throw in warranties and guarantees and you pretty much can't lose by paying that little but extra for a reputable, factory weapon.

The factories can also get parts wholesale, meaning you will get quality parts for less than if you buy them retail, which will force you to go with lesser quality parts if you want to stay "under budget".

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Stag Arms also makes some pretty good firearms and the base models are cheap enough (also we're a ban-state still so few options for goodies). Also their barrels are warranted for life.
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