The 2016 election.

We need automotive insurance reform. The fact that insurance for men can be higher than women is not fair. They shouldn't be able to use statistics.

usafpilot07 wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/cnn-drops-donna-brazile-as-pundit-over-wikileaks-revelations/2016/10/31/2f1c6abc-9f92-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html?tid=sm_fb Boy, I bet CNN was just SHOCKED That proof of this was found so quickly

As an Ohioan, I don't want any more nailbiters after tonight. I'm getting stressed.

Whale, should the many reporters who have been busted by wikileaks giving their stories to the Hillary campaign or writing stories that the DNC wants them to write. Should they lose their jobs? Or does journalistic ethics have a new standard I'm not aware of? 

Where is Hunter S. Thompson when you need him.

__sneaky__ wrote: Where is Hunter S. Thompson when you need him.

If he hadn't offed himself by now, this is what would have made him do it.

Reb Cpl wrote: When there's OT opportunities posted for "Election Night Added Patrols" ....you have a pretty good idea of what sort of time we're living in.

Edited by impulse418 - 06 November 2016 at 6:28pm

Hairball!!! wrote: I'm probably biased, but I think this race is way more interesting:

agentwhale007 wrote: Are you in Utah? Has there been a lot of TV ads or ground game for McMullin?

I'm in Utah, but I don't have cable and basically live under a rock so I don't know about his ground game. I've only heard of him through word of mouth, but I guess he's been a pretty hot topic within the mormon community. Outsiders and bitter ex-mormons will say that his only appeal is that he's mormon and that's good enough for mormons, but I think that's unfair. I'm sure there are some that are looking for any alternative to Trump or Clinton, but that's far from the whole story.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, Utah conservatism doesn't reflect conservatism on the national level. You could call it traditional conservative ideals or conservative with a libertarian angle if you want, but there's a strong sentiment of "let US decide what's best for OUR community." It makes sense based on the roots of mormon settlers wanting to do their own thing without interference from the federal government, but it's an idea that all of the non-liberal non-mormons I've met also like. McMullin, as a Utah native with a platform that resonates with Utah conservatives, doing well against two garbage candidates isn't very surprising.

What's surprising to a lot of outsiders is how progressive young people in Utah are, especially young mormons. There's a very tolerant "live and let live" attitude among most young mormons, which is a pretty significant contrast against most of the older ones. It's a strong enough difference that there was a massive backlash from young mormons against the church when they updated certain stances like membership of gay mormons. There were events where you could publicly, officially renounce your membership in the LDS church, and a lot of people did. Trends among young people are important in Utah, since the average age is below 30 years old.

I guess it just annoys the hell out of me when people are so dismissive of Utah as religious party-line Republican zealots when just about every conservative I've met has been thoughtful, well-reasoned, and logically consistent on the issues (mormon or not). I would say it might just be the company I keep, but the rejection of Trump and the popularity of McMullin among so many people I don't know makes it seem at least a little bit consistent.

A thriving economy under decades of Republican control builds a lot of loyalty, but an independent having more than a snowball's chance in hell of taking the state's electoral votes says a lot about Utah's focus on individual liberties and progressiveness that the Republican party doesn't show on a national level. I don't see Utah going blue, but if the Republican party doesn't get its poop in a group on the national level, that easy (R) might not be so easy anymore.

As we look forward to 4 years of more idiocy from who ever wins let's take a moment to thank Obama and his accomplishments.
1. Inedible school lunches.
2. Unaffordable Health insurance
3. Blue lives no longer matter
4. And a population far more divided than before he took office despite 'the promise' of unifacation.

If you do not fear the next four years of whoever is in office, you really do not understand the world around you, and the idiots we put in charge to run it.