The 2016 election.

What I am saying is you make the best of a bad situation, deal with the issues and in 2020 present a candidate that actually has ideas and concepts that will work, not a continuation of current less than successful Democrat policy. If you can not win traditional Democrat areas, and many Democrats crossed the lines and voted Trump, what does that tell you about the inner workings of the Democrat Party.

Hillary lost elections to two of the worst and inexpierienced candidates either party could field. To Obama in the 2008 Primaries, and Trump in 2016. What does that say?

Trump was created as the main components of both parties 'forgot' about those in fly over country. The Democrats demeaning them as uneducated rubes, and the Republican almost the same. It was only the eclaves of idiocy in both Parties treating the majority of the Red areas as inferior, and only the coasts truly mattered, that the populace of these areas rebelled and we got Trump.

It was essentially a knee jerk reaction to the politics as usual in both Parties.

OS,

rednekk98 wrote: My gut reaction is that Trump isn't ideological, but can be easily swayed by those who praise him.

Benjichang wrote: rednekk98 wrote: My gut reaction is that Trump isn't ideological, but can be easily swayed by those who praise him. I feel the same, and this is what terrifies me the most about him. He seems so narcissistic and thin-skinned that all it takes is for someone to give him the right amount of praise and he's on their side.

Ivanka might be useful for this, she seems to actually believe in decency. The Donald might be stuck in some sort of media-feedback loop where he looks bad to some people then doubles down on the bad stuff when his supporters see it as a strength. My concern stems much less from media narratives than from social media. The man himself loves twitter, it's stuff he says or retweets that I find more concerning than what scarmongering media sites say. Like when he retweets 15-year olds but edits them to be more inflamitory, or stuff made famous on Stormfront. The pollsters got this wrong and the anecdotes won out. If his supporters, to include close family members of mine, are willing to casually sound off in support of unconstitutional and authoritarian action up to and including extrajudicial killings, and he seems inclined to listed to the commentariate (including paid and unpaid trolls) this could easily go really badly. He seems really ready to hire black sheep who are famous for being loud and controversial which his supporters see as an asset, while the rest of us can see reasons why they're so controversial. 

My contention on the American worker is also diverse. Here in Nebraska I am in the corn/soybean belt where during the recent harvest the farmers were out 15-20 hours a day harvesting and weighing the crop as the bins filled and the transportation to the mills flowed. They were working all these hours no 'overtime', self sustaining in insurance and medical plan needs, and banking on the price not fluctuating and making a small 'profit' per bushel. So the 'overtime' and benefits promises by polititians mean nothing.

I have a Honda CRF250L, was not made in Marysville,OH by American workers or in Japan, but in Malaysia, and the quality control reflects. Looked at a Harley Davidson Street 500, not made in York, PA or Milwaukee, WI, but India, and again quality control reflects.

I am retired and have a 'hobby' business that if I went legal, the regulations and insurance, and other required costs would make it almost unprofitable. I run a beginners MX track here at the 'farm' and a 5 gal pail is hung on the entry gate. Somehow around 5 pm each day we are open I just happen to look at the bucket and there are quite a few $20 bills in it, how it happens no clue, wink, wink. I found a need, developed the market, and here we are, and I 'employ' the local kids at $11 an hour also picked up by the employee as it is laying on the ground just before dad picks them up, to do safety flagging and other chores on the days we are open. It is a shame I have to do it this way, but all the regulations as stated means no 'profit' and no improvements, so what is the point of running the business? Last year June to mid November approximately 20K, but fuel cast for machinery, the dirt moving equipment, the prepatory hours, it would not be worth it 'legally', that is one of the issues I find the Democrats refuse to address for the small business owner.

I have been a soldier, a cop, a truck driver, a in the office worker for a major trucking company, and now retired. HAve had several garage hobby businesses, and just do not see Democrats helping. When they tell me the money I put into Social Security is a 'benifit' when I have paid into their SS system for years is also a bone of contention.

Again watching Nebraska in the OmaLinc area repeat the mistakes of NYC and the lower commuter counties, I can't help by wonder what people think. They want low cast goods and services, high pay, and can not understand that with that higher pay comes higher pricing for their goods and services. The want all these alternative energy sources but NIMBY none of it in their back yard. The y want more 'free' stuff' and for the life of them can not figure out that someone else pays for their 'free' stuff.

I finished college in 2009, just a 'hobby' degree, as am too old and physically unable to 'work' per the employers liability regulations. And I sat in those classrooms with 18-25year olds all expecting a high paying mon-fri job that day after they graduate. Dreams and goals are fine, but the reality of life is not so kind.

And now I find it fascinating, when I was 19 I was wadding through rice paddies with someone out there trying to kill me, and all without 'safe places' and other social and cultural idiocy kids need today to cope with something as simple as your gal lost an election.

I am an old guy, 10-15 years left on this ride, hopefully. I no longer fear for my future, nor my kids, the grandkids totally different story, as the instant satisfaction needs of today at the cost of future generations that scares me.

Remmember I saw what the Hillary 'promise' did to central NY, made it far worse, as her only goal was the next rung on the ladder to President, the people of the State of New York were not even a real concern to her. Nor were many of those Red flyover states in 2016, that she could not even try to communicate with, just the priority of the areas dependent on government and the entitlements therein and would vote Blue no matter what. We out here in Nebraska are and always will be nothing to the East and West Coast coffee house pretend, and I will say it, 'Liberal' intellectuals who have no clue the amount of 'education' it takes to grow that corn, or soybeans, and raise that feed cattle crop that feeds them. And nor do they care, as long as it is in their supermarket, why bother caring how it got there. Regulate the hell out of it, and hey why did the price go up, that's not fair, people got to eat, that is the political logic that should scare you to death.

Edited by oldsoldier - 05 December 2016 at 10:17pm

oldsoldier wrote: Looked at a Harley Davidson Street 500, not made in York, PA or Milwaukee, WI, but India, and again quality control reflects.

Edited by StormyKnight - 06 December 2016 at 9:58am

OS, find me a Sportster under $2500 that wasn't a meth head project.

Fact is, the US system is rigged to help other countries. You can see it easily just by looking around at what is available to you and at what price. 

Redneck, the steel industry pulled out of coal decades ago. Foreign mills discovered smaller electric furnaces were less overhead and wiped out the domestic industry.

US Steel has only 8% of the market IIRC. Other than Nucor and USS most steel is foreign owned.

I've told ya'll before barbecue was a big deal in NC....