The 2016 election.

__sneaky__ wrote: Kayback wrote: Damn I am so sick of this. If I have to unfriend any more political experts on FB I will have to close my account. Coming from experience of bad presidents you guys are in trouble either way it goes. I don't know much about your 3rd party guy, he may be ok or he may be "not Trump/Hillary". As far as I can see from this side of the ocean you don't have much positives running for either major candidate. There is a LONG list of negatives for both. This should tell you something about how much control "We the People" actually have over who becomes our president. Apparently it's not a big issue, mind you. No one seems to want to acknowledge the underlying issues that stuck us with these two clowns in the first place.

Benjichang wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: __sneaky__ wrote: Kayback wrote: Damn I am so sick of this. If I have to unfriend any more political experts on FB I will have to close my account. Coming from experience of bad presidents you guys are in trouble either way it goes. I don't know much about your 3rd party guy, he may be ok or he may be "not Trump/Hillary". As far as I can see from this side of the ocean you don't have much positives running for either major candidate. There is a LONG list of negatives for both. This should tell you something about how much control "We the People" actually have over who becomes our president. Apparently it's not a big issue, mind you. No one seems to want to acknowledge the underlying issues that stuck us with these two clowns in the first place.  Primarily a GOP that refuses to modernize and actually attempt to activate the untapped potential for young fiscal conservative/socially liberal voters by sticking to the "family values" version of the Republican party that hasn't changed its strategies in 30 years and a DNC that has a playbook so simple that everyone in the country can call their plays before the next "snap." And every time they lose they hire consultants to come up with a new plan, and every time it's pretty much what you just said. Then they don't listen and double down. And now we got Donald Friggin' Trump up there.

__sneaky__ wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: Benjichang wrote: usafpilot07 wrote: __sneaky__ wrote: Kayback wrote: Damn I am so sick of this. If I have to unfriend any more political experts on FB I will have to close my account. Coming from experience of bad presidents you guys are in trouble either way it goes. I don't know much about your 3rd party guy, he may be ok or he may be "not Trump/Hillary". As far as I can see from this side of the ocean you don't have much positives running for either major candidate. There is a LONG list of negatives for both. This should tell you something about how much control "We the People" actually have over who becomes our president. Apparently it's not a big issue, mind you. No one seems to want to acknowledge the underlying issues that stuck us with these two clowns in the first place.  Primarily a GOP that refuses to modernize and actually attempt to activate the untapped potential for young fiscal conservative/socially liberal voters by sticking to the "family values" version of the Republican party that hasn't changed its strategies in 30 years and a DNC that has a playbook so simple that everyone in the country can call their plays before the next "snap." And every time they lose they hire consultants to come up with a new plan, and every time it's pretty much what you just said. Then they don't listen and double down. And now we got Donald Friggin' Trump up there.  Yup. Like I said, I'm voting for Trump reluctantly, but I absolutely see why so many don't like him.  I found a great article a while back about the ways the Republican party could have/should rebrand(ed) by realizing that making social platforms is going to be a losing proposition moving forward, and that if they don't realize it and start utilizing young fiscal conservative/social liberal voters, it's going to spiral until there is the DNC and a couple of "third party" equivalents fighting for scraps. I ask this question with as much respect as can be conveyed over pure text - but can I ask if there is a definite reason why you are choosing Trump over Clinton? I would identify myself as one of those financially conservative/socially liberal voters, and I will be voting for Clinton for sure. I never thought I would have to communicate those words to another person, but I find Donald Trump to be an unacceptable option for the leader of my country.

International Trade agreements that put the US in the position of disadvantage should be dissolved ASAP. NAFTA included. America should be first, products profitable and able to be made here, no rebranded Chinese or other junk flooding our markets making China 'rich' and America poorer.

Right now we need a true America first, world and immigrants second for awhile to recoup all we lost in this New World economy failed exercise. And still baffles me why illegal immigrants are higher in priority in medical care, than our Veterans? Explain that to me.

I don't know, ask the Ford Small Auto Division employees that just had their jobs move to Mexico if they are not in a disadvantaged job market being a US labor force. Or the Carrier Air Conditioner employees that had their jobs move to Mexico if they are not in a disadvantaged labor market. Or Nabisco workers.....we can go on. NAFTA just allows US companies to manufacture in Mexico at far lower labor rates and ship the products here to sell at a full price based on a US labor force labor rates. When Ford for example moves small cars to Mexico for production will the American MSRP go down based on lower wage rate for the Mexican worker, you know the answer.

Understand that a return of manufacturing to the US is not practical, but why facilitate more manufacturing plants and moves to foreign markets, and the loss of US jobs?

How is it not troubling that our consumer needs are offering more jobs to overseas manufacturing markets than to our own workers?

Trump is very bad at running for president. 

Anyone want to sum up the veep debate? I'm not watching.

I consider myself very right wing but I'm very sour on pence. I believe that "religious freedom" or whatever silly anti-gay bills he signed do not belong in 2016.

SSOK wrote: Anyone want to sum up the veep debate? I'm not watching.

Reb Cpl wrote: I've come to the conclusion that the moderators for all of these debates need to be chosen from a pool of preschool teachers. They at least know how to stop inane bickering and move things on.

Well I'd link to the most-recent Trump scandal, but I think it's probably against forum rules.