Tippmann isnt good enough?

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EDIT: sorry for double post

Edited by thornygravy - 01 July 2006 at 5:00pm

You guys are goin about most of this all wrong.  Ofcourse a high end gun is going to be better than a Tippmann, a stock tippmann or a tippmann with basic ups.

A tippmann can be made to be as good, if not better (due to reliability etc) as high end guns with the proper modifications, but the issue then becomes the fact that you likely payed twice as much to make your tippmann as good as the used matrix you could have bought.

Considering the  98custom/custom pro (OBVIOUSLY with ACT, take that people who say it will chop more!)  all you need is a good barrel, reg, LPK, e-bolt system, and centerfeed with a halo or something.  Voila, it now works just as well as the high end guns, maybe a little more of a pain due to the amount you need to take apart for maintainance.

Considering the A-5, you can build a custom e-bolt fairly simply if you have the money for it, then add the same ups as the 98, except maybe a QEV/vortex mod instead of centerfeed... but that's preferece.

In my oppinion, this means the tippmann guns will easily work just as well as the high end ones, but they'll end up costing atleast close to just as much... by the time you spend the money to make it that good you could have got a used electro.  I would also personally prefer to have a upped tippmann over a matrix etc.  because i know it will perform in woodsball and speedball, and I am simply a lover of Tippmann.

Another oppinion of mine is that it really isn't necessarry to get all those ups (like e-bolt, etc) in order to compete with higher end guns.  The e-grip, though still a sear tripper, will still fire the gun much faster than it is humanly possible to pull the trigger.  Slap a high quality barrel, feeder, and airsystem on the gun, and you'll easily keep up.  It won't be as good, have more recoil and be heavier as well as some other minor things, but if you're a good player, it won't matter.  Two equally skilled players, one with a 98 or A-5, e-grip, loader that keeps up, air system, reg, nice barrel, and the other with just about any high end electro with a reg, air system, nice barrel, and fast feeder, will likely tie the game.  If not, the electro will likely have a very small edge, though it is in reality a much better gun in "bench tests"

Just my opinion... i've only fired a few high end guns, my a-5, and a 98.

To me at this point, my a-5 is as good as any high end gun... essentially what I'm saying is it's at the point where I wouldn't want to trade it, but there are much better things out there.


Edited by RavenGuard - 02 July 2006 at 6:20pm

Styro Folme wrote: StormyKnight wrote: (but the timmy is also the heaviest, bulkiest marker i've owned)... Well, it's obvious you haven't held my A-5 then. LOL i used to own an a-5 with a flatty, minidrop, uni, stock, and no remote...... it was still lighter than the timmy...  but i'll bet you have a milsim....

The a-5 really isn't all that heavy, even maxed out, unless you mil-sim the crap out of it.

Lightningbolt wrote: The "Tippmanns are more reliable than other guns" argument is bogus. Try all you want, Tippmanns have way too much recoil to compete with expensive "tourney guns" sorry the truth hurts sometimes

mine, nor my brother's gun has ever broken down. i've had my 98 for over 4 years now, and my brother has had his for 2. i've only taken apart the gun to
1) polish internals
2) paint/mill it
3) put in the new powertube for my R/T and cyclone
4) replace a CVX valve, because i stripped out the threads---my fault

other than that, i put a few drops of oil in my ASA and dry fire about 10 times before and after each game, and THAT'S IT. i'd bet that no high-end gun can do that. and keep in mind, i play at least twice a month, from early spring until it gets too cold in the fall.

edit: and what's with recoil? yeah, my gun does kick a little bit, but it's not so bad that after one shot i have to re-aim. i could hold the R/T at about 12 bps all day long and not worry about the gun slowly drifting upwards because of the recoil...

Edited by paintballinbill - 07 July 2006 at 9:32am

paintballinbill wrote: Lightningbolt wrote: The "Tippmanns are more reliable than other guns" argument is bogus. Try all you want, Tippmanns have way too much recoil to compete with expensive "tourney guns" sorry the truth hurts sometimes mine, nor my brother's gun has ever broken down. i've had my 98 for over 4 years now, and my brother has had his for 2. i've only taken apart the gun to 1) polish internals 2) paint/mill it 3) put in the new powertube for my R/T and cyclone 4) replace a CVX valve, because i stripped out the threads---my fault other than that, i put a few drops of oil in my ASA and dry fire about 10 times before and after each game, and THAT'S IT. i'd bet that no high-end gun can do that. and keep in mind, i play at least twice a month, from early spring until it gets too cold in the fall. edit: and what's with recoil? yeah, my gun does kick a little bit, but it's not so bad that after one shot i have to re-aim. i could hold the R/T at about 12 bps all day long and not worry about the gun slowly drifting upwards because of the recoil...

Amen

Sure an out of the box tippy could not compare to an angel. BUT
this is why tippmann markers are so great. you can do ANYTHING to them. my gun can compete with any rate of fire.

lightningbolt - if yr that weak and flimsey to where the "recoil" of the tippys mess up yr aim i suggest that you get a weight set, and not go into any kind of military enviroment

I don't care if you have a stock spider. if you are good you will kick someones ass with a Blade straight out of the box from wal-mart. period. end of story.

easier said than done. that one looks like it has real parts, which requires EXTENSIVE modification to the parts.

that mag looks real. that's very respectable. THATS what MILSIM is suppose to be, and what makes it exciting as well.

eh...

I've shot a Blade once. I was just trying to get a point across. =/