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I corrected your mistakes in another thread and you sent me a hissyfit PM. And yes your comments were essentially correct this time. However, whereas a BB's are small hard spheres fired at higer FPS, paintballs are big (comparatively), shape disforming, liquid filled, lower FPS spheres fired from non rifled barrels. While the physics is similiar, the differences in the medium are significant enough to result in dramatically different outcomes. Flatlines give you additional distance, but you will lose accuracy and to be quite honest, aren't very accurate to begin with. The Flatline will decrease FPS, but you simply turn it back up. In some cases with the FL barrels, some people have had a hard time getting it back to 280 or so. Luckily, the FL systems operate better at slightly lower FPS.  
 
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Keep it Civil. New members or Seasoned members alike. Don't let threads turn into flame fests.

Newer members there is a ton of knowledge in this community. There are players who have been playing since the 80'S and some like myself playing actively since 1995. In the database of this forums are thousands of threads on just about every topic you can think of.

   To the Members here, being on these boards years doesn't give you a free pass to put anyone down. If you know the answer or want to correct someone here use some tact. Remember today's noob is the guy you might be playing with down the line.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

I corrected your mistakes in another thread and you sent me a hissyfit PM. And yes your comments were essentially correct this time. However, whereas a BB's are small hard spheres fired at higer FPS, paintballs are big (comparatively), shape disforming, liquid filled, lower FPS spheres fired from non rifled barrels. While the physics is similiar, the differences in the medium are significant enough to result in dramatically different outcomes. Flatlines give you additional distance, but you will lose accuracy and to be quite honest, aren't very accurate to begin with. The Flatline will decrease FPS, but you simply turn it back up. In some cases with the FL barrels, some people have had a hard time getting it back to 280 or so. Luckily, the FL systems operate better at slightly lower FPS.  
 


1, I did not send a hissyfit pm. You have not seen me as a hissyfit.

2; Bbs from a airsoft gun are fired anywhere from 240 fps to 300 fps (any higher isnt permitted at any range due to the ability to break the skin). Any higher, and you literally shatter BBs on a hard surface.

3; You couldve answered my question earlier. And again, I compared the flatline barrel to a hop-up system on a airsoft gun. Which again, you have not shown evidnce to prove otherwise. As far as the systems are designed, the flatline system just is more dramatic DUE TO THE FLAWS OF THE PAINTBALL, than a Hop-Up system.

I wish I could just hide and block all yer posts, Sadly I dont think I can. Maybe a moderator can help me on that.

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Originally posted by Evil Elvis Evil Elvis wrote:

Keep it Civil. New members or Seasoned members alike. Don't let threads turn into flame fests.

Newer members there is a ton of knowledge in this community. There are players who have been playing since the 80'S and some like myself playing actively since 1995. In the database of this forums are thousands of threads on just about every topic you can think of.

   To the Members here, being on these boards years doesn't give you a free pass to put anyone down. If you know the answer or want to correct someone here use some tact. Remember today's noob is the guy you might be playing with down the line.


To be honest, if the old players here show no respect to the new players, dont force em to, I just wont be a part of tippmann and will never purchase em again. I'll destroy and throw away my tippmann guns aswell.


Edited by Luc McCloud - 12 September 2009 at 11:18pm
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Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics.

Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics.

Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered.


Evil Elvis talked to you and I, and if you still want to provoke me, fine.

I just will report the post.
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Originally posted by Luc McCloud Luc McCloud wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics.

Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered.


Evil Elvis talked to you and I, and if you still want to provoke me, fine.

I just will report the post.


I have to ask; what the heck is provoking about the above post?
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A good barrel kit with the Apex tip.  Best option for conventional paintballs.
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Originally posted by Luc McCloud Luc McCloud wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics.

Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered.


Evil Elvis talked to you and I, and if you still want to provoke me, fine.

I just will report the post.
Wow, even when I try to play nice, you still complain. report away and enjoy your stay here.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by Luc McCloud Luc McCloud wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Respect is earned, not a right. With that said, Perhaps, I read your first post incorrectly. I did not see it as a question, but as a statement of fact. If it was a question, than, yes, the two systems are simliar. Essentially, the FL systems create backspin on the paint, insert physics crap here, which results in gained distances over regular barrels. However, I am assuming unlike airsoft, significantly less accuracy is obtained due to the properties of paintballs vs BB's or pelllets. We are talking in some case extreme inaccuracy especially if the barrel is misaligned, dirty, oily etc. I have seen balls do things that seemed to defy the laws of physics.

Regardless, the original post was whether a Flatline inner barrel would fit into a Salvo foregrip. I believe the question has been asked and answered.


Evil Elvis talked to you and I, and if you still want to provoke me, fine.

I just will report the post.
Wow, even when I try to play nice, you still complain. report away and enjoy your stay here.


how about instead of taking every chance you get to throw a remark at me you remain on topic and ignore me?

And if this thread is finished, have it locked.
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Originally posted by Luc McCloud Luc McCloud wrote:

Gee, you're quick to be sarcastic, but slow to answer my questions or correct my mistakes.


Edited by oldpbnoob - 13 September 2009 at 1:45pm
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EDIT: know what, I'm done with ya, I'll just make my browser block your posts or something, I'm 99% sure I can find a way to hide your messages.


Edited by Luc McCloud - 13 September 2009 at 1:47pm
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If you guys are gonna **edited** do it in pms not my thread. im tired of getting bull**edited** emails saying someone replied to the thread and it turns out its you two arguing about nothing useful at all. I may be a noob to this forum but im not a noob to all forums. The purpose of this ( or so i thought) is to help out other people who share your passion for paintball. Not to prove how smart you are.
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Originally posted by gwoodtitans gwoodtitans wrote:

If you guys are gonna **edited** do it in pms not my thread. im tired of getting bull**edited** emails saying someone replied to the thread and it turns out its you two arguing about nothing useful at all. I may be a noob to this forum but im not a noob to all forums. The purpose of this ( or so i thought) is to help out other people who share your passion for paintball. Not to prove how smart you are.


Actually, I tried to keep it in PMs, but this guy blocked me hence why I just aint dealin with him anymore.
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Well I meant the regular barrels on the market, so I wasnt referring to Apex and Flatline, I shoulda clarified that tho.

And Luc, he wasn't provoking you. He was exsplaining how the system worked...
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